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Wrong side of history

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LyraPotter · 15/01/2018 16:35

Here is something I know to be true: those campaigning against trans rights will fail. Your money will be raised and spent and wasted. Your legal challenges will not succeed. Your relentless attempts to do injustice will fail. You are on the wrong side of history. Your children will grow up knowing better than you. You cannot stop progress. Your efforts are in vain.

And every time I'm proven right - every time a court judgment goes against you and every time a law protecting trans men and women is passed and every time equality is further enshrined in the laws of this country I am going to return to this thread for the pure and petty purpose of telling you I TOLD YOU SO.

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AskBasil · 20/01/2018 22:30

But I identify as Jack Munroe.

Is she deadnaming me?

What a bigot.

SweetGrapes · 19/01/2018 22:07

Just donated a tenner to make up for someone who was refunded without wanting a refund.

Terrylene · 19/01/2018 22:03

There is a tiny box to click

SimonBridges · 19/01/2018 21:18

I had an email saying that I needed to prove my ID but I donated under a fake name.
How do I make it anonymous?
I hate being anonymous but I worry about getting online abuse.

WendyHadWings · 19/01/2018 18:04

OP, you had to know that a post like that on Mumsnet would meet with a frosty response. Presumably that's why you did it?

Why do you want to be something you are not ?

HairyBallTheorem · 19/01/2018 17:52

Actually check out the other threads on feminism. There are now worries (no hard evidence, but not beyond the bounds of possibility) that this may be a phishing attempt t get people to reply to emails with a view to doxxing them.

Whensday · 19/01/2018 17:42

I tried a different card, no joy.

I'm going to register from my husband's email. He won't mind, although he just laughs when I talk about the trans debate - like most men, it doesn't affect him so he doesn't really care - he just finds it funny.

HairyBallTheorem · 19/01/2018 17:37

Can you donate on a different card and with a different email? (I'm awaiting my deletion - for the relatively innocuous crime of my real first name plus "Anon"). I'm going to try the "different card, different email" trick and add on an extra tenner when it happens.

Whensday · 19/01/2018 17:35

It won't let me donate again, even in my own name, because I was refunded.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/01/2018 16:47

I'm feeling really fucked off now.

Women are women and female
Men are men and male
Removing healthy organ and tissues is wrong
Letting a child decide what sex they are is wrong

This whole fantasy house of cards is going to come crashing down very soon, and when it does there is going to be a lot of very damaged people and a lot of lawsuits.

Nice to know I'm going to be on the right side of history.

Datun · 19/01/2018 16:41

Ah ok.

I'm sure it's only galvanising women to donate again, if they can.

Being ranted at has that effect. Funnily enough.

LangCleg · 19/01/2018 15:55

Ah, missed the latest update. Yes. I was right.

LangCleg · 19/01/2018 15:55

I just donated again as an anonymous. You can do that.

I think what they are doing is requiring the name to match to the debit/credit card details, regardless of whether or not you go anonymous. So they are, in essence, making you donate in your real name or anonymously. Bit off if it's just this campaign, but if they're inundated with complaints, it will make their life easier.

HairyBallTheorem · 19/01/2018 15:53

That's not the update I've got, Datun - this is the one sent to me.

"
Apparently it's NOT fine to donate either on behalf of 'Almighty God', 'Christabel Pankhurst' and 'Objective Reality'... OR donate in others' names, people. Keep it anonymous or in yr own names.

Also... If people ARE happy to add their names and their CLP names to the list of signatories on the crowdfunder text, please DM @msjenniferjames on twitter and you will be be added.

We're told gofundme are returning funds made under ANY fake names. Apologies in advance to anyone who self-identifies as 'Almighty God'. Shout out to my ex.

Some of the 'donors' named have raised the temperature of a debate which deserves to remain cool, calm, comradely and respectful.

We don't need to fight dirty. We don't need to use ad hominem attacks, logical fallacies or snark because our arguments are CORRECT. The facts, science and logic are our weapons, here."

OlennasWimple · 19/01/2018 15:28

I love the idea of lots of Pankhursts donating!

Datun · 19/01/2018 15:07

This is the latest update:

"Reminder to donors! It's fine to donate on behalf of 'Almighty God', 'Christabel Pankhurst' and 'Objective Reality'... but let's not donate in others' names, people, please.

It raises the temperature of a debate which deserves to remain cool, calm, comradely and respectful.

We don't need to fight dirty. We don't need to use ad hominem attacks, logical fallacies or snark because our arguments are CORRECT. The facts, science and logic are our weapons, here.

Now let's go get 'em...
Help spread the word!"

Whensday · 19/01/2018 15:07

Oh and Jack's not annoyed - she's just delighted to have wedged herself into a debate that had nothing to do with her.

Me me me me me me me me!

Redonionricedpotato · 19/01/2018 15:06

Someone on another thread tried to donate as anon and they said she had to provide photo ID.

LefkosiaTigers · 19/01/2018 15:06

If anonymous donations are no longer accepted, then the organisers of the campaign should look into transferring it to another platform.

LefkosiaTigers · 19/01/2018 15:05

Such a meaningless phrase, the wrong side of history.
Like most people, I have no wish to deny rights to trans people. I wish all people to have the right to education, healthcare, political representation and so forth.
But for a male person to be called a woman is not a right. It is a demand, and an arrogant one at that. People of other religions do not have the right to force me to adhere to their beliefs. By the same token, why do trans people think they should have the right to force me to believe in their ideology?

Whensday · 19/01/2018 15:04

Not allowing anonymous donations?????

That can't be right.

Redonionricedpotato · 19/01/2018 15:03

They are not allowing anon donations- they are saying you have to submit photo ID. They have completely changed their normal rules to submit to the bullying transactivists. Just shocking.

Terrylene · 19/01/2018 14:36

Just send it back with an extra fiver under Anon Wink

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 19/01/2018 14:31

I'm not sure why she's important enough to be impostered the. Surely we do Martin Luther King/Ghandi/God etc first?

CAAKE · 19/01/2018 14:17

Someone donated in Jack's name. That's what she's annoyed about.

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