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ITV Transformation Street

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RedToothBrush · 11/01/2018 17:29

On tv tonight.

But here's an article to give you a taste of what its going to be like:www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/transformation-street-itv-transgender-documentary-a3737876.html

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Italiangreyhound · 28/01/2018 12:23

@QuentinSummers "In other countries where women are still very dependent in men, it is more difficult." I agree, but I hope seeing women in the west get more power back (I believe we once had power, it was not always like this), is right for them to see it is possible.

"Having said that, the media backlash against #metoo shows how far we still have to go" YES, how can the media have a backlash against victims of violence, can you imagine if this were so against men!

There is a fabulous blog about this somewhere, I will try and find it.

48harv · 28/01/2018 10:09

Dear Quentin well said and where does this dependency come from,? centuries of brainwashing and violence, and that’s why men want to keep the status quo,

QuentinSummers · 27/01/2018 22:46

it seems that it is mostly the rich and influenced that are hogging the limelight, the people that don’t get heard or fear talking about it remain silent
Yes I agree with this. We are lucky in the UK that power dynamics/women's rights eye means we can speak about this, especially more privileged women. In other countries where women are still very dependent in men, it is more difficult.
Having said that, the media backlash against #metoo shows how far we still have to go

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 27/01/2018 22:04

Hey harv

Chilling but true i reckon

48harv · 27/01/2018 22:02

A talk show host today said in order for there to be real equality of the sexes men have to want it so basically he was saying patriarchy can only become a thing of the past if men decide it’s going to happen not before.
That’s a chilling thought.

48harv · 27/01/2018 21:50

Would France’s idea of fineing men for sexists remarks help or hinder equality of the sexes?
Could it even be viable?
Would you want to go down that route?

I had the last question reversed onto me how about some observations from you this time 😁💐

48harv · 27/01/2018 19:50

If a man types the word progress and a woman types the word progress why should the man get 10p and the woman get 7p that’s not progress.

48harv · 27/01/2018 17:50

I also feel that family refuge centres are woefully under funded and instead of there being plans to expand the number of centres it appears some of those already in existence may be forced to close due to cash shortfall.

48harv · 27/01/2018 17:28

I think it s a start, but so far it seems that it is mostly the rich and influenced that are hogging the limelight, the people that don’t get heard or fear talking about it remain silent, places like India and some African countries that are trying to change centuries of patriarchy are accused of trying to change traditions and adopt western ideology, I don’t think men will change without a lobotomy or a huge change in their mindset, and women are as yet no where near success

Italiangreyhound · 27/01/2018 15:50

Any campaign that highlights sexual harassment, abuse, assault or violence against women and calls it out as unacceptable is a good thing.

Some women may like being wolf-whistled or having their bum pinched, and they can make it known to their circle of friends and get that form of attention. For me, no thanks.

bambambini · 27/01/2018 15:40

What’s your opinion Harv seeing you brought it up?

48harv · 27/01/2018 14:44

Can I ask everyone a question.......... what is your opinion of the # ME TO CAMPAIGN ?

48harv · 27/01/2018 14:27

I wore women’s underwear as soon as I left home at 15 years of age.and if you want a couple of anecdotes to make you laugh here goes,
I was with a group of friends at a dinner party, well after dinner we started playing cards for fun, then it turned to strip poker, ( you can see where I am going with this) suffice it to say I was trying to cheat so I didn’t have to disrobe, but failed miserably, well my friends were confused when in the morning there was an extra pair of women’s pants without an owner.

The other occasion was I had agreed to meet 2 friends to go to a disco, but due to work pressures I had to meet them without having eaten all day, well after a few drinks I was tipsy, and my friends decided to take me home, and as they were good friends they put me to bed, undressing me first,.... these two friends never passed judgement or mentioned it ever, good friends they certainly were.

The other time that springs to mind was when I was working in a hotel , the staff slept in a large house at the other end of town to the hotel, by this time I was going out dressed totally as a woman, one day my employer called me into the office and I was given notice to leave, it was not because of my work ethic or my personality it took me ages to work out the real reason, I was made .

I am telling you about myself so that you can see that not all trans people are militant, I really want to just live in peace and quiet.

Italiangreyhound · 27/01/2018 11:16

Yeah scratchy lace and riding up your bum underwear, loads of women love them! Not!

waterlego6064 · 27/01/2018 11:05

FantasticMiss I agree re Jordan on the show. They were a ‘ladydick’ type.

There was also a transwoman who wasn’t one of the featured people of the documentary, but who was shown chatting in the waiting room a couple of times. She was talking to some pre-op transwomen about getting their new vaginas, and how they’ll be able to wear ‘skimpy panties’. More than a touch of AGP with that one, I thought!

Italiangreyhound · 27/01/2018 10:51

grappling

Italiangreyhound · 27/01/2018 10:50

The church is graplinh with all this. Sadly is this had not become such a battle field I would be much more on the forefront of this issue church wise on behalf of trans people but some church-related trans inclusive organisations are actually very militant. So not for me.

48harv · 27/01/2018 10:34

Dear Italiangreyhound I agree with what you say about the soul being genderless, the body is a vessel for this lifespan only. That was how I was able to rejoin my Church after 50 years apart, it was not a fear of reaching my twilight years that spurred me to, it was the feeling I was lost drifting aimlessly without land in sight. When I went and spoke to my Priest we had a lengthy discussion, the churches opinions have moved on a lot since my teens when I couldn’t talk to my church.

QuentinSummers · 27/01/2018 10:32

italian that's such a lovely post x

48harv · 27/01/2018 10:24

Dear Italiangreyhound you are one fantastic human being , you have my deepest respect and admiration😍🌹💐

Italiangreyhound · 27/01/2018 00:11

@48harv
"I do accept now something which when I joined this forum was an illusion, I CAN NEVER BE a biological woman ,
I never was
I can never be.
This has been a hard lesson to learn and learning it has been painful, but I do accept that to claim otherwise is only deceiving myself."

Sweetie, do you know something which for me is very true in all this. It is when people are at their least demanding, in being seen as this or that, and are just themselves, that I am most likely to see them as they see themselves.

Also as a fellow Christian I believe biological sex and any notions of gender are for this life only. Luke 20:34-36 New International Version says we will not be concerned with marriage, we will be like the angels, so for me that means not concerned with biological sex, and so these struggles are for this life only. XX Thanks

48harv · 26/01/2018 23:31

Goodnight to you all and thank you

48harv · 26/01/2018 23:25

She certainly mucked it all up, As I read it she had known this man since 2014 had gotten married into a marriage that isn’t recognised by Egypt, she didn’t know the guys full name nor his right address, she failed to check that the pills were legal in Egypt, then when caught she said yes to the wrong question by poor council and exhaustion,
One hell of a catalogue of mistakes

But she didn’t deserve harsh jail time ...... that’s the sad part

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 26/01/2018 23:18

It certainly siunds true

Hopefully she wont be that daft again

48harv · 26/01/2018 23:15

Isn’t it good news about Laura, I hope it’s true, I really do