ITV Transformation Street

Something else on the subject of trans people , you may be surprised but I suffered a very heavy dose of the menopause which left me changing my whole wardrobe 6ir7 times a day and my bed linen more than once a day , I was always wet, and the headaches were aaaahh , fortunately I didn’t suffer depression but I did burst into tears an awful lot.

Wow ladies this is such an excellent forum for our views, I do agree with most of the loo comments, I wouldn’t cause you to break out in hot flushes (excuse the pun) as I pass 100% so you wouldn’t know but if someone was to be in the loo with 5o clock shadow even I might be unsettled.

Not forgetting women's sports.

Yes 100% @bambambini

I do feel the end of the communal loos is in sight. I personally won't miss them!

Private enclosed spaces (with sink) that open onto a corridor or open space will be the norm in the future and I would (if I had any time to put into campaigning) be campaigning for this rather than trying to keep certain people out of communial loos.

It's actually (I think) an evolution... we started out pooping and peeing in the woods, a tree away from someone else in the open air, then we got to the Roman baths (and Chinese communal loos, which I've used) where you are next to someone in a sex segregated space, no walls or doors, then walls and doors and separate spaces, and one day we will all get our own space!

But the bigger picture is prisons, hospitals and hostels for youth or vulnerable adults etc.

@bambambini I also liked seeing a more compassionate line.

I must admit the staff with talk of Mr Inglefield's vaginas did make me smile!

@48harv the toilet one is a weird one. Personally, I would have had no issue with use of loos in the past and still now people who have been through a gender recognition certificate (thingy - please someone tell me the correct name). My issue is being told that anyone who thinks they deserve to be in the lady's loo should be there and anything else is bigoted.

fox this is so true "I also feel very worried that the current 'trans activism' madness rebounds on those trying to go about their daily business and live life the best way they know how."

For me it’s not really about dodgy men gaining access to loos by wearing a dress and I don’t think all transwomen are sex mad monsters. It’s the lack of thinking through where saying “it’s only a loo” has led. And even with loos, it seems to be underestimated or even given thought to the fact that many women and girls can’t actually help the instinctive feeling they get when they walk into a loo and something’s not right - as in a male is present. Tbh, I’m not scared or think they necessarily pose any threat - i just get really thrown and feel uncomfortable and embarrassed - in the past I’ve evrn walked out if a male cleaner is there or maybe just sat being unable to pee. It shouldn’t come down to passing or being smaller and less masculine (threatening) looking but the truth is if they do pass then I won’t notice and my instincts won’t kick in

And I realise it must be difficult for confused school children to manoeuvre but no one seems to realise it might be difficult for self conscious and anxious teenage girls to find they have no choice in that the boy they know is now a girl and demands access to their changing rooms. For some reason girls don’t seem to be considered in the equation. Just as women are also told just to suck it up.

@Fantasticmissfoxy I can't speak for Emma on the programme of course but in answer to "I felt bad for Emma especially as I didn't feel that anyone had been honest with her and said that if the main aim of the surgery was to allow her to get physical with another person, that being a post operative transgender person would narrow her potential dating pool to virtually nil."

I don't think your take on it is strictly true either. Trans people do find sexual partners and romantic and life partners. Yes, indeed the dating pool is considerably smaller than for non-trans people. However, Emma made it clear she was attracted to males and it seemed she was not able to pursue men as a man. I think confidence, happiness and self-acceptance of the person oneself would go a long way to making relationships last, (or even get started). And Emma seemed to lack these.

However, by the end of the programme Emma presented as a considerably more confident and happy person and for a 45 or 50 year old, really very well turned out.

So I think the truth may well be somewhere in between the two extremes. I'd also imagine that as a male Emma had zero chance of getting close to a male, evidenced by the fact she was a 50 year old virgin (nothing wrong with that at all, but it was clear this was not what she wanted.)

She had not left behind a heartbroken wife or ex partner, her choices affected only her really. So I think she had much better chances of being happy later in life than she had up to that point. I hope there is a follow up and we see Emma in love. Plus by being on a national TV programme about this topic she will almost certainly be honest with people she meets about her past, which again, feels (when safe to do) like a good recipe for a good romantic or sex life.

But pretty much all the rest of your comments I agree with.

48harv thank you for taking the time to reply - it is appreciated.
I'm glad you have reconciled your physical and emotional 'selves' and I wish you all the luck in the world in continuing to live as you are. I'm sorry you had to struggle for so long and of course I realise that if you could 'wave a magic wand' you would have been born female.
I also feel very worried that the current 'trans activism' madness rebounds on those trying to go about their daily business and live life the best way they know how.

One point I will attempt to explain, the bathroom controversy........as a post op transexual I use the ladies, but I do understand the worry about a “ man in a dress” going into a ladies toilet and the concerns that this raises, before my op I always made sure I went before going out so I never needed to use the conveniences open to the public, but I feel for school children going through what I went through and the stress they are in especially in Trumps America. Not all trans people are sex mad monsters, but it would only take one I suppose and all hell will break loose.

Thank you bambambini your kind word are very welcome bless you

I also lament the fact that so many women are murdered each year purely for being a woman, too many men feel they have the right to abuse, beat and murder women as a male perogative the rapes and murders of women and children in India is a stain on the male of the species, women in Myanmar have undergone pure evil girls in Latin American and in Mexico die at an alarming rate with indifference from the authorities this is the sad state we are in in the 21st century

Also I didn’t say trans people are the most vulnerable people within the general population but I did say they are more likely to be murdered in relation to other minority groups, I lived in my early life always aware I could be killed for my life style and the modern trend of acid attacks is something that concerns me today

Dear “fantastic miss foxy” I have read your comments and agree with many of your sentiments, I lost out on my mother doing things that mothers and daughters do , I would have swapped half of my life span to have had a womb and be able to give birth to my child, i agree bar having a modified virgina my other internal organs are male, if I die under a criminals hands my bones if discovered would read male, purely by my pelvic bone and size of my scull, so yes I cannot be a woman , but and there has to be a but, in my minds eye I am as close to being a woman as I can be and outwardly do not afford a second glance from people I meet, who knows in the future people like me will be offered a womb as an operation, but as for my mind and my interpretation of how I stand in the community I live in I am female because most of the general public only accept male or female genders

Caught the show last night for the first time. As someone who is concerned that women’s and girl’s rights are being eroded - it was good to get a different more human perspective on transfolk rather than the often aggressive and delusional claims in the likes of twitter from the more extreme TAs.

I struggled with this programme a bit - mainly I think because while I have enormous sympathy for someone who is so conflicted about their own body they are willing to go through massively risky, painful and expensive surgery to change it, I couldn't help but feel that the surgeon and his team were being massively dishonest with them.

All of the individuals / patients on the show came across as genuinely nice people who were really struggling. I felt bad for Emma especially as I didn't feel that anyone had been honest with her and said that if the main aim of the surgery was to allow her to get physical with another person, that being a post operative transgender person would narrow her potential dating pool to virtually nil.

And while I felt for (I think it was Stephanie) over losing contact with her sons, I fail to understand how someone can father children while 'knowing' themselves to be female? It seems massively as odds with the claim that they've 'always known'

I do believe that every person has the right to dress, present and alter their body physically however they wish and that no one should be discriminated against, threatened, hurt, insulted or bullied for their sexuality, appearance, race, age or religion. I am happy to refer to anyone by the name and pronouns they prefer. But I will not accept that you can change your sex - you can't. I don't understand why Trans women can't accept that they are trans women and that this IS different to biological women. Not less, not worse, just different.

For example, my mother in law is in amazing physical shape and has had some (very good) work done. She looks no older than 45-50. She's 65. And it doesn't matter how much work she has done or how good she looks she will still be 65. And that's great. She can look younger, present younger, and hell even tell people she's younger, she may wish very passionately to be younger but it is something she cannot change.

And the claim that trans women are more at risk from violence / harm than biological women - I don't believe. Perhaps from strangers, but most violence against women is perpetrated by their male partners and I do not know a single trans woman who has a male partner.

I'm grateful to the trans women who are willing to come here and be open and rational. I would never wish to insult or hurt you. But I will not agree that you are female. You are a trans woman and that is fine in itself.

Radical feminists are not "radical" as in extremist, they are radical as in:
Radical
1. (especially of change or action) relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough.
"a radical overhaul of the existing regulatory framework"
Liberal feminism wishes to moderate the current system, (patriarchy,) and make it more favourable toward women. Radical feminism believes the current system is unsalvageable, and that it needs to be changed fundamentally in order for women's liberation to happen.

Also while I sympathise, 48, you are nonetheless categorically not female. Being polite and nice and not a threatening AGP does not make you female, I'm afraid.

Goodnight to you too 48harv. Was good talking to you.

the suffragettes in the early 20th century were different to the verminous rants of some radical groups of today that in my humble opinion drive a wedge through tolerance and diversity

Can you clarify what you mean by this?

Verminous rants of who?

Which radical groups are we talking?

Night italian. Must sleep myself soon. Keep going to bed after 2am then being utterly dead all the next day.

Good night all and thank you

I am sorry for the confusion over the word handle , I mean your name you chose to go by many years ago I had a cab radio and handle was the term used for made up name , sorry for the confusion

I'm impressed with your issues you are involved with. Excellent.

On a note of the programme, I liked Emma. Very impressive, she blossomed through the programme. However, those boobs looked like a young woman's, she's 50, they would be a lot more south facing if real!

I find Juno rather annoying on line (read a few things she has written) but I think I might like her in real life!

Anyway, must get some kip. Night.

love the dogs, not just Italian greyhounds but click the link and see how cute they are! Night night.

Sorry to cross post I am new to this page, so please forgive me,
Personally I find all radical factions of any group to be dangerous because they refuse to listen to level heads who want to slow the pace,the suffragettes in the early 20th century were different to the verminous rants of some radical groups of today that in my humble opinion drive a wedge through tolerance and diversity

@Vicxy ah yes, Wayne Sleep, that was where I heard it. He waited to come out.

@48harv by handle do you mean how I would handle the issue (I would do my best but I know from previous experience much as I want to would struggle because I feel girls can be anything they want to be, they don't need to be boys to be anything they want! If that makes sense.) Or handle as in my name?

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