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48 - sorry to have pressed you on this but, as Datun and others have said, when trans people appear in feminist spaces purporting to be reasonable and wanting dialogue, a predictable pattern emerges. One part of that pattern is to make appeals to emotion/sympathy based on unsupported assertions. This pattern is so predictable that it's now my opinion that the people making those unsupported assertions know that they are not true. In other words, sorry to say it, they lie.

I realise that the transsexual population - as Italian on this thread has tried to point out - is both very vulnerable and also associated with many mental health comorbidities. I have huge sympathy for this.

But a lie is a lie. Even when the motive is validation or sympathy on the part of a vulnerable person.

This feminist board is filled with women who are brighter and more articulate than me. They've been fighting this battle for their rights and identities longer than me. You will not win them over by saying things that you know aren't true and they know aren't true.

But you know what? Honesty would get you a great deal further. Nobody here is cruel or heartless. But they do deserve respect and, at the very least, the truth.

Don't apologise, it's a great post.

Oh wow, didn't realize that the thread had moved on as much. I posted before reading the full thread so apologies if this has already been put to bed

Women are not going to pretend that female specific biology doesn't exist to avoid hurting trans women's feelings. That, the transitioning of children, and dicks in single sex spaces where nudity can be expected are the hills that I will die on, and I'm not alone in that.

Seriously, only a man could frame "women are not going to pretend that female biology doesn't exist" as "bullying". Male socialization is a hell of a drug.

Sorry I agree with both of these.

I assume I was one of the 'pleasant friendly people' you were talking to 'openly and frankly' but I have to agree with the others here. Its one thing being friendly and nice, its another thing completely to pretend female biology and completely female experiences are not real. I am not willing to suspend reality in that way. Women being 'nice' is whats lead to the situation we have today, where the word 'woman' is being colonized and female only spaces/services are under attack from all angles. I have no need to not be nice when speaking one on one with people..I try to be nice to everyone as a rule (maybe thats my female socialization showing) and I realize this fight is not with individual transwomen. But when women are accused of bullying for pointing out that men pause is a female experience, not a male one...well..thats where my 'nice-ness' runs out I am afraid. Give an inch, a mile is taken it seems. Thats not about you specifically, but the entire movement.

Here’s the research done into this. As you can see this is from a trans pressure group so they have no reason to lie.

There is obviously a horrendous situation in Latin America especially for trans women involved in prostitution. It’s awful.

In the uk however you’ll be reassured to see the situation is much better.

transrespect.org/en/map/trans-murder-monitoring/?submap=tmm_relative_numbers

I'm sure it is harv, but statistically a man who transitions is less likely to be murdered someone who doesn't.

I hope you find that reassuring.

If that’s right then I am pleased but safety is always a present thought

Well, it's good news then, harv. There weren't any transwomen murdered in the UK in 2017, so you don't need to worry too much about your safety.

All death by another’s hand is inexcusable and abhorrent

No I can not as I rarely buy newspapers and it was told to me by a friend who had no reason to lie about it,.... as far as I know

I do think that some tran kids are very self centred I watched the programmes on a girl named Jazz , her siblings were side lined a lot to make her journey possible and she never thanked them for that least ways it was never televised

48 - well, 7 murders is 7 too many and 12 murderers is 12 too many. I think everyone here would agree on that!

But, I ask again, which openly transexual women was murdered in your town only last year and in a most brutal way only streets away from you? Could you provide a news report?

Dear langcleg only 12 ...... ( I am only joking , please don’t read anything into that remark)

And she’s obviously never seen billy Elliot

There was one trans kid story where the mother interpreted her child's walking on tiptoes a lot as wanting to be a ballerina and thus having a girl's brain, but that's also a thing sometimes observed in autistic kids.

(I think it's that the texture of the carpet bothers them so they're trying to touch it with as little of their feet as possible.)

Deadly lampshade I am not upset by you synopsis it has merit

Her death was photographed but the police and if my memory is factual it was around August 2017 I won’t give the town as it might lead to complications for me that I don’t want

I’m not saying you don’t have gender dysphoria, but the two things can sometimes coexist.
It just jumped out at me that’s all.

Interesting insight , never thought along that line I did see a battery of psychologist before being diagnosed with gender dysphoria all came to the same conclusion

No , in my upbringing anything but straight heterosexual would have resulted in something to horrific to contemplate,only last year an openly transexual women was murdered in my town in a most brutal way only streets away from me

Which murder was that, 48? There have only been 7 murders of trans people in the UK in the last decade. None in 2017. And the only person murdered in 2016 who could possibly come under the trans umbrella was William Lound who, according to his family, identified as a gay man who liked to cross dress.

By the way, also in the last decade, 12 transwomen have been found guilty of murder,

I agree the excesses carried out by a few trans people are disturbing and and to be honest a little scary I can empathise with that but I never dressed outlandishly

harv
I don’t mean this to sound insensitive but I am genuinely curious as whether you are on the autistic spectrum. Just because my friends son is autistic and he experiences the headaches if he’s not in the ‘right’ clothes.

No , in my upbringing anything but straight heterosexual would have resulted in something to horrific to contemplate,only last year an openly transexual women was murdered in my town in a most brutal way only streets away from me

I remember over 20 years ago seeing this one guy who used to wander around the main shopping strip of City That Will Remain Unnamed so I don't out myself wearing a mini skirt and fishnet tights even in the middle of winter. Looking at the subset of trans women who join "sissy maid" forums and so on I don't see any difference between him and them other than 20 years and a change in terminology.

Most people find it icky and uncomfortable to be forced to participate in someone else's fetish, but that's another thing that you're not supposed to actually say because it makes you a mean girl. Basic pattern recognition skills are cruel and evil when they hurt men's feelings.

My daily attire consists of trainers, jeans and a t shirt or blouse and a topcoat , I only rarely wear a dress except if I go out and tights are the nearest thing to leg wear, I was never brought to an orgasm for wearing female attire it was never sexually motivated .... I would as a child get these tremendous headaches that could only be eased by dressing in clothes I felt comfortable in sometimes the pressure would seem like my head was about to explode