ITV Transformation Street

Please don’t take my arguments as to me being a trans activist, as I said when I first came on this forum I thought twice before doing so and had decided to stand down and erase the forum from my computer but I feel if I am listened to calmly I can ease your justifiable fears of the people similar to myself

Course not. As you obviously know since you can read.

Women fully support the rights of transwomen to housing, employment, acceptance.

Just not those rights reserved for women and those specific spaces that are segregated on the basis of sex.

But why do you equate a man dressing as a woman to that of a sex offender and a threat to your safety?

Because many men claim they are transwomen when they have a cross dressing fetish.

What do you want us to do sit indoors behind the drawn curtains, personally I have held down full time employment until I retired and still look after elderly people in my community on a daily basis and pride myself in what I have achieved so far.

Did I not say in my passage earlier that I accept I could never be a biological woman it was impossible, all I can do is pass as one in public

But why do you equate a man dressing as a woman to that of a sex offender and a threat to your safety? Most offenders of this type are male and wouldn’t be seen dead in a dress, God I have watched enough of the news where this behaviour is reported, take today’s news as an example an 8 year old girl murdered by a man and in America 13 children treated to terrible evil by a man and a woman, neither of these cases state the offenders are transexual

I literally don’t know how many times I can say this. ITS NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU WEAR.
Wear whatever you like, honestly. No one cares, nobody. (Well some people might but I doubt anyone here does).
Its about the fact that trans activists say that wearing that dress makes you a biological woman.

As it is, I always try to blend in so my attire is always understated, I only wear a dress if I am invited out by one of the men in my life to dinner or a gathering of some sort, or if it is a lovely summers day I might wear a skirt that suits a nearly 70 year old woman gone are the shorter skirts (ones that came about an inch above the knee) now they are 2 or more inches below the knee,

I understand that people that are faced by a clearly male person approaching them in a dress is daunting and possibly distressing but just think of the grit that person has shown to be on the street in the first place.

Eh? How the hell do we know what grit they have faced? Seriously?

What's the difference between a man who has faced grit, and a man who wants to make me feel desperately uncomfortable or worse??

We don't divide men into those who have had a difficult life, and those who haven't, and then segregate on that basis!

In fact, i'll be willing to bet that almost every sex offender has had a difficult life.

It's completely illogical to equate a difficult life with being benign.

And why should a total stranger's dissatisfaction with their life have any bearing, whatsoever, on my safety?

I don’t think you are listening because we have said time and time and time again we don’t give a fuck what people wear. It’s not the fact that trans people where dresses that we have an issue with. Honestly.
Men wearing dresses is good for us, it actually pushes gender boundaries. It’s not good for us when the man says I’m wearing a dress therefore I’m a woman.

harv should we ignore our biology so not to hurt people’s feelings? Should we change the definition of woman from a biological reality to an idea in someone’s head so not to upset someone? Why are trans feelings more important than women’s realities?

Sorry I should have quoted the statement correctly ...you said apparently not actually as I wrote. The rest of what I said is how I feel, I understand I can never be a biological woman that is impossible, but most of the people in my predicament get upset when being reminded of the fact, we are after all human beings and are just trying to make the best of what life dealt us, I fully understand that a minority of the general population see transexuals as an anathama that lacks understanding, and yes we can be self centred and inward thinking but we generally just wish to be let alone to get on, I understand that people that are faced by a clearly male person approaching them in a dress is daunting and possibly distressing but just think of the grit that person has shown to be on the street in the first place.

Dear angry attack kittens, you say your dad was actually a woman all along , surely that is a contradiction on your comments about me still being a man ?
I was not talking at you my initial communications with italiangreyhound and others was both cordial and pleasant, it only deteriorated with my statement about the menopause then I was verbally accused of lying and then the chat became more hostile now you can pick up on the words hostile, and deteriorated but from my perspective that’s how I felt, so of course I argued back , I was hurt by the attacks as I saw yours and others abrasive ness towards all I said from then on. I had accepted that my symptoms did not reflect the extent of what a true female suffers through her menopause but by then you were no longer listening. And the murder a few streets away from me was that of a woman in 2017 my friend just got some of the facts twisted and as she is my only friend that is aware of my true past she put the wrong slant on the facts, I just said what I was told, I would love to continue to put input into the conversations and regret any and all offence that I have caused unintentionally.

But it has to go both ways. I have to feel that the person on the other side of the conversation is engaging with me.

Yep. Harv is talking at us, not to us, and again, once this has happened a hundred time the willingness to suspend disbelief fades considerably.

My dad also had luscious long tresses as a young man. I'd always thought that was because he was a metalhead at the time, but apparently he was a woman all along?

I think there is an element of propaganda in most media entertainment but these carefully scripted "reality" shows seem to be the worst offenders.

This series is a big advertisement for this “ surgery “ and this “surgeon”.
He is as daft and deluded as a lot of his clients are.

I saw this vid on Facebook today @harvey48 , it might give you some inkling of what women go through because of our hormones and why what you describe is a bit irritating to us. Many of us struggle our whole lives with hormones and it isn't through choice.

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=214297219115135&id=177501606128030

sophocles your post this morning was awesome.

I was wondering about that, bewilderness

Well colour me relieved theberwilderness

Just to clear up any possible confusion, I do not have my fathers nose secured about my person. I simply have the simulacrum of my fathers nose securely attached my face in the normal position and attitude.

There's been discussion about how a transwoman appearing on a MN thread can often play out in a similar way. I've noticed the same patterns.

The thing that strikes me particularly is the switches between a submissive position ("us girls", please like me, etc) and a dominant position (as women you're supposed to behave in a certain way). It does grate.

The one bit of advice I'd give to transwomen posting on MN is to treat other posters as equals. To this end, assume the audience are just people, could be men, could be women, and address them accordingly.

I, too have a man's nose. I am female. My Dad had gorgeous thick and luscious hair that needed cutting every six weeks right up until he died age 85. Luckily, I've inherited the hair as well as his nose. and a hairy nose come to that

I've never been on the feminists boards before ( as far as I recall) This appeared on active conversations and as I have watched Transformation Street I started to read/lurk.
I admire the perspicacity of the remarks on here. I'm not so eloquent myself, but I was taken aback by harv's inaccuracies when describing their menopause, hrt etc.

Italiangreyhound @48harv the fact you have stayed to listen is good.

They didn't stay to listen. They stayed to mansplain, criticize, and tell more porky pies.