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ITV Transformation Street

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RedToothBrush · 11/01/2018 17:29

On tv tonight.

But here's an article to give you a taste of what its going to be like:www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/transformation-street-itv-transgender-documentary-a3737876.html

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Deadlylampshade · 22/01/2018 20:28

Ahhh that’s makes more sense

48harv · 22/01/2018 20:27

The heading which I neglected to type was
Re the governments plans to reform gender identity rules

LangCleg · 22/01/2018 20:26

I would change deviant to predatory male, but otherwise, I think it's a great letter!

48harv · 22/01/2018 20:25

Thank you I will do the changes advised , is there anything that you think is repetitive or not strong enough.? Open to all suggestions

Deadlylampshade · 22/01/2018 20:24

I would also state exactly you wish her to reconsider, so maybe say ‘this folly of changing the process to get a gender recognition certificate to that of self identification’. Just so it’s very clear what you mean Smile

SophoclesTheFox · 22/01/2018 20:21

I also would not use the word "deviant". It's far too loaded. And "politcally correct brigade" is also not great. Other than that, I think it gets your point across well.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 22/01/2018 20:10

Yep what deadly said

Deadlylampshade · 22/01/2018 20:08

I think that’s great harv, it’s very well thought out and gets the point across well.
The only thing I would suggest is to take out the bit about Danielle Muscato she’s American and it might blur the lines a bit, and it could seem like a low blow.

It must have taken you ages to write!

48harv · 22/01/2018 20:00

Dear prime minister
As a transgender woman of almost 30 years I am begging you to reconsider this folly, I had to go through a long process to become my true self. Psychiatrists, Doctors, Surgeons, 2 years of assimilation, a name change all done before surgery was even considered, I suffered 4 months of abuse and violence from mostly men, I underwent 2 operations in 1991and1992 months of painful electrolysis followed and complete document changes to my new name.

Please don’t ruin all my hard work by relaxing these necessary steps

I NEVER felt unfairly treated and the 2 years I spent in limbo were a godsend as it gave me time to be absolutely sure the steps I took were right for me, you cant fast track this process it is in place for a reason.

Biological women are justifiably concerned with the prospect of anybody who fancies trying out being a woman can self certificate themselves and enter a woman’s changing cubicle, or swimming baths changing room where women shower, I am not a biological woman I can never be, but what I am is as close as I can be and can truly state I do not give rise to any concern or threat.
If a male can self certificate themselves without any medical reference they are still male no matter what they call themselves, it is also very possible for any deviant to self certificate just to get access to young women, I saw a battery of psychiatrists to confirm I was truly transgender and even though I did change my name early on as it was required by law, I avoided all women’s area out of respect for their genuine worries and concerns, I also admit at this time in my transition I had many masculine traits still and I know I would have caused distress to women in these rooms.

Please Prime Minister true trans people don’t want these changes, it’s the activists and politically correct brigade who think they know what trans people need, I knew from the age of reason that I was different and I wouldn’t change a minute of my journey, it takes time but the delay is there for a reason every step through the process needs to be there, there can be no shortcuts to gender identification time is a necessary validation.
This bill is not helping trans people but it is possibly opening the gateway for the wrong sort to gain access to a pool of vulnerable women and girls or by biological women boycotting these places further eroding their freedoms and add more stress and worry about what should be places of refuge and calm
I do not wish to personalise this plea but take a look at the picture of Danielle Muscato and say this is a woman you would like your daughter to meet in a changing room, I am not saying she is a deviant but she doesn’t look feminine either.

48harv · 22/01/2018 19:24

I type it to you now please feel free to criticise and add anything you wish , but remember this is written from a trans point of view here goes

Deadlylampshade · 22/01/2018 19:05

I’d love to read it harv

Deadlylampshade · 22/01/2018 19:05

harv I’m really looking forward to reading your letter, it’s great that you’re writing it.

I’ve realised that very few people actually know what’s going on so it must just seem like we are shouting out of hatred and that’s so not the case.

I hope you begin to feel welcome here harv and know that if you ever need to chat or just vent we’re here.

48harv · 22/01/2018 19:02

Thank you all but let’s get back to the problem at hand are you content to wait until tomorrow before seeing this letter or would you prefer to see it now? And have your say in its content

48harv · 22/01/2018 18:58

Italiangreyhound you are a an excellent ambassador for your gender thank youXX

QuentinSummers · 22/01/2018 18:56

although a did cry a lot stupid as it happened over a half a century ago
Not stupid at all. It was a horrible thing to happen to you. I'm glad you felt you could tell us.

Italiangreyhound · 22/01/2018 18:35

@SophoclesTheFox

"...dressed in a green velour suit, purple high heels and IIRC..."

What's IIRC?

Italiangreyhound · 22/01/2018 18:34

@48harv hurts from the past can really affect people, so what it it was 50 years ago. Maybe by telling us you let s little light into it, like salt it cleans and help, and maybe starts to heal, but it hurts too. Flowers

48harv · 22/01/2018 17:56

Thank you for your comments langcleg and italiangreyhound , strangely I felt better after letting it out of the bag, although a did cry a lot stupid as it happened over a half a century ago

48harv · 22/01/2018 17:40

I had no sleep last night not because of what I told you about myself but rather fuming over this outrageous law they are planning

48harv · 22/01/2018 17:38

That’s 10am tomorrow

48harv · 22/01/2018 17:37

Hi there I promised to write a letter to the PM and I have it ready, my niece is coming over at 10am and she is going to read it through and make any changes then I will write it out for you all to read after that OK

SophoclesTheFox · 22/01/2018 12:37

I’ve just realised that I’ve encountered Travis Shock

He was creating an allmighty fuss in a restaurant I was in late last year. If he’s concerned about his safety because of all the negative attention he gets, he really, really needs to can the quite ludricous levels of shrieking, flopping about like a model while his entourage takes endless photos of him and general all round INSANE levels of attention seeking.

He was hanging off the balcony of the Oxo Tower, dressed in a green velour suit, purple high heels and IIRC, a cape, shrieking like a parrot and being hatefully rude to the waiting staff while embarrassed Brits tried to eat their lunch.

I think how he gets home is the least of his worries 😂

Whatnextxx · 21/01/2018 21:32

All I saw was a person who was rubbing his hands in glee at all the money he would be placing in his bank account by pandering to this group of narcissistic males hankering after a acquiring a facsimile of being "woman" - anyone in their right minds knows that it is biologically impossible to change sex - the best that can be done is plastic surgery to "resemble" the sex classification of woman

LangCleg · 21/01/2018 21:28

Flowers for you, Harv. An awful experience nobody should have to go through.

And I'm glad you are still here - particularly as I was unforgiving earlier in the thread. I hope you are beginning to understand why the women here are so blunt in defending their boundaries.

Italiangreyhound · 21/01/2018 20:48

Kill the man not oil the ma!