Surprised - no comment on the Le Monde letter?

The actresses and campaigners attending the Golden Globes? Like Meryl Streep?

Lol.

Yep that will really work for the woman working for the "fuck me or face Universal Credit" boss.

At least the actresses and campaigners attending the Golden Globes have acknowledged that its not as easy for women in low paid professions and have set a fund up to address this.

I heard her on the radio (although I didn't know who she was) and I got the impression that she was saying that if someone tries to grope or whatever on the metro then you give them a loud sharp put down and the other strong women support you. Maybe this works for her for some reason? Like she is a high profile strong woman? But what about the everyday women that have to travel to dull work for dull money and maybe look a bit quiet - does it work for them?

And Paris Lees. “She” is French after all.

I wonder if Samantha Brick has signed it,

I’ve never been as subject to sexual abuse ever as the year I lived in Paris. It was a daily occurrence.

Tbh I didn’t comment on The letter because I’m afraid I just dismissed it as very French. A certain sort of French woman needs to believe in this shit. Depressing crap but ultimately they are not very smart these celebs.

Mature woman scared of losing her validation.

A Canadian woman was gang raped in a police station in Paris. The police officers are to stand trial.
This article contradicts most of what was written by Catherine Deneuve.
www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/paris-police-officers-accused-of-raping-canadian-woman-will-face-trial-reports/article36433364/

"We’re aware enough today to admit that the sex drive is by nature offensive and savage"

Mine isn't, and I'd rather not have sex with anyone matching this description.

"largely in the United States and Britain, since no heads have rolled in France"

So how is it any of their business, then? I find it extremely difficult to believe that there are no French women who'd prefer their sexual interactions with men not to be "offensive and savage", but in the unlikely event that that was the case it would still be stupid to try to extrapolate from that to countries where the massive response to MeToo makes it clear that most women would in fact prefer that their male coworkers not treat the workplace as an ideal setting for a spot of knee touching and kiss stealing.

Just read that article, PricklyBall - she’s spot on, really, isn’t she?

I genuinely find it hard to bring myself to say anything about it, it's so crushingly depressing.

I saw this and my heart sank too. I too have found generally that Western Europe is much more misogynistic than the UK (sexual harassment seen as the norm etc). I can only think that these women have been as conditioned to think that being valued sexually attractive is somehow the pinnacle of a woman's achievement and therefore see such behaviour as necessary proof of there own worth. So utterly depressing.

Already been talking about it with friends. If for whatever reason these particular women find extremely aggressive male sexual behavior sexy and exciting then that's their business, but if they could stop projecting that preference onto women as a whole that would be great.

Attempting to "steal kisses" in a professional setting is not in any way professional. Go do your "woman swooning as she's seduced by a passionate man" roleplaying in private and leave the rest of us alone.

I heard about this on the radio and was looking for a comment on it.

When I was twelve I went to France as part of a school trip.

On the first day we were allowed to walk around a small area of the town in groups of four.

Some older men decided to follow us around shouting "Will you have sex with us" in both French and English, and also make comments about blow jobs, kissing, and god knows what else. Surprisingly our French lessons in school hadn't included translating sexual harassment. The men would have been about 20 or so, they thought it was funny.

Two days later, we were taken to a French market and again allowed to walk around unsupervised in groups of four. A man who was in his forties groped my friend's bum, followed us a short way, and slapped her bum.

At this point her twin sister realised and kicked him.

He shouted in French and walked away.

I've looked back at our photo's recently. We look dreadful. Pale, spotty twelve-year old girls with bad hair, two of us with awful giant glasses, all of us in 1980's fashions (oversize Sweater Shop jumpers and Bros jeans and shoes). We look like little girls.

This was not the first time I was sexually harassed. I was seven. It wasn't the last time either.

They need to trust women to know the difference between "awkward seduction" and sexual harassment.

'Touching knees, stealing kisses, talking about intimate things in professional settings, and sending sexual messages' to women who don't want and haven't asked for them might not be rape but there's no place for it all the same and the men who think these things are okay deserve what they get.

Why these women think these things are okay is beyond me.

Van Badham has a good article in the Guardian (now there's a rarity these days) explaining exactly why Deneuve et al are wrong.