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What do think this letter from secondary school means?

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NaturalBlondeYeahRight · 09/01/2018 18:07

*Over
the next few weeks, we are going to be carrying out some work with students in
an attempt to tackle attitudes towards gender equality. We have a number
of students, both male and female, from across a number of year groups, who
have expressed concern about some of the language used towards them or about
them, that is gender specific.

One
of the first strategies that we are planning is to deliver assemblies to each
Key Stage, exploring how the use of language can impact upon people,
particularly when discriminatory gendered wording is used.

As
you know, we are always keen to involve parents in our work with students. One
of the ideas we have in structuring these assemblies is to use actual
real-life quotations and examples and that is where we are seeking some
assistance from parents. What
we would like, if possible, is examples of actual words or phrases that have
been said to our parents, where gender has been a key defining aspect of the
content. Words or phrases may have been delivered in the workplace or in
social gatherings. They do not necessarily need to be negative but should
encourage students to consider how their use of sexist terminology leaves a
lasting impact. *

They want some examples, but I’m not quite sure what- sexism that I have experienced? Are they confusing sex and gender again? If they just want to address sexism then I’m all for it.

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redexpat · 11/01/2018 09:43

I quite like this clip too

UpABitLate · 10/01/2018 21:14

Oh lord that always ad made me well up!

ObiJuanKenobi · 10/01/2018 20:33

That tv ad is great

Ratspit · 10/01/2018 20:04

I’ll forgive them for making my pants smell like zoflora, just for that.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 10/01/2018 20:03

Oh good ratspit. I think it might be an Always advert but it deserves a good airing I think Grin

thebewilderness · 10/01/2018 19:44

I think you should respond with gender role enforcement language. Unfortunately, I do not think that is what they intend to teach the children. Oft times they say gender equality training when they mean obedience training.

Ratspit · 10/01/2018 19:37

Good grief, Certain I’m posting that on my FB.

SnugglySnerd · 10/01/2018 19:35

Definitely mention the sir/miss thing in schools. I'm a teacher and I hate it. It's bad enough being called "miss" by the kids but often a male teacher will address me as "miss" in front of a class. Teachers should either be addressed as Miss/Mrs/Ms/Mr/Dr Name according to their preference or it should be sir or ma'am like in the police.

redexpat · 10/01/2018 19:32

Bossy
Hysterical
Difficult when describing a person. Only ever used for women.
The worst insult is a name for female genitalia. Other insults intend to shame women for sexual conduct whereas men are applauded and praised for the same.
Ask them what they want to be when they are adults. Fire fighter, police officer or fireman or policeman.
You could listen to the guilty feminist podcasts there are LOADS of examples.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 10/01/2018 19:30

Here

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 10/01/2018 19:24

Send them Bella's post above? Get them to analyse why it's so stupid and offensive?

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 10/01/2018 19:21

I'd ignore the letter and tell my DC to take no notice of them papping on about this "gender equality" nonsense

Yeah. Fucking equality wankers. Wanting equality. Fuckers.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 10/01/2018 19:19

Send them that film where they asked people to 'run like a girl' (and they all flapped around giggling) and then they recorded girls running and they were so powerful and focused and then they showed the adults the girls running and they all realised they had totally sold those girls out. It's fucking heartbreaking.

Bellamuerte · 10/01/2018 19:08

I'd ignore the letter and tell my DC to take no notice of them papping on about this "gender equality" nonsense. Sick of these precious snowflakes who are upset by gender specific language! If you're upset by words like "postman" then you really need to get over yourself!

GeorgeTheHamster · 10/01/2018 18:57

The word "bossy"

claraschu · 10/01/2018 18:41

I would be happy if children weren't always addressed as "girls and boys". Maybe I am over the top, but I think it is unnecessary to constantly mention people's sex in school. Some of the alternatives probably sound too American or too formal: "kids" "guys" "everyone" "children" "year 3" "people", but I would prefer to avoid "girls and boys".

Ereshkigal · 10/01/2018 18:32

Yes I've had the exact same experience!

Ontopofthesunset · 10/01/2018 18:20

Someone once said to me: "You're the most intelligent women I've ever met" (which I don't believe for a moment, by the way). He meant it as a compliment, but by saying this he was putting me in the category of women, who he apparently perceived to be in general not as intelligent as those in the category of men. He might well have met men who were more intelligent than me, but not women (I'm sure to be honest he'd met plenty of both), but he didn't say: "You're one of the most intelligent people I've ever met'. Which would not have been subtly sexist. And would probably also not have been true.

Ereshkigal · 10/01/2018 18:09

Wow Lancelottie!

AssassinatedBeauty · 10/01/2018 15:57

@Lancelottie please tell me that this wasn't recently? That's incredible. Did anyone point out their stupidity?

Lancelottie · 10/01/2018 11:37

I've mentioned this before, but:

My company refused to have a workplace nursery because 'employees' wives might want to use it too', obviously forgetting that the male employees were related to their offspring in any way.

SenecaFalls · 10/01/2018 01:59

I think language is really important because it at once encapsulates our opinions about things and enforces them too in a very pervasive way.

So they might ask why, in many schools in the UK, male teachers are "sir," but women are "miss."

RagingWoman · 09/01/2018 21:58

Sorry, link!
twitter.com/lilylilymaynard/status/950523225624195074

RagingWoman · 09/01/2018 21:57

The wonderful Lily Maynard shared an NUT leaflet on Twitter this morning. Have a look and suggest to school that they get hold of a copy.

I do think its all those seemingly innocuous comments that contribute to the drip-drip of everyday sexism and its a great idea to try to make kids aware of it now before they hit the outside world. Ive had long discussions with my teen boys and theyre quick to pick it up when they see or hear it now.

Adverts: "washing powder helps mum get the laundry done better", "mums go to Iceland", "dads go to the DIY store while mum's cooking Sunday lunch", formula milk ads always depict mum not dad,

Off hand remarks like "cheer up love it might never happen", "give us a smile" never said to men!

Restaurant bills almost always given to the man if its a couple dining. Or man asked to taste the wine even if its the woman who orders it.

At school, my teacher friends moan that they need a big wardrobe because kids do pass comment on what female teachers wear, how often the same thing is work, whether it males them look frumpy/sexy/young/old etc. Pupils comment on male teachers for facial hair, smells of BO/smoke/coffee, or having food stains on clothes, but never for wearing the same suit all term!

NaturalBlondeYeahRight · 09/01/2018 21:08

Thanks for these contributions, it’s a strangely worded letter I think, I’m with some of you in that I think they know enough of these put-downs from the school environment. The school hasn’t been particularly forward thinking in regards to equality up until recently, I hope this is a step in the right direction.

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