Sooo Genuwine rejects trans woman's advances and he is in the wrong?

"I've long suspected that when most people see "trans woman" they're picturing a Thai ladyboy, or Jazz Jennings - gay, not physically aggressive young men who don't come across as being an immediate threat to women. "

But Thai ladyboys are notorious for robbing male punters though.

Doesn't happen with the female prostitutes.

"Yes and you never hear of a transwoman with a name like Jane or Anne. It's always the 'trendy' names: 'India' 'Paris' etc. That are more associated with younger generations."

There's one called Jane Fae. He's a pro-porn campaigner, and a 'lesbian', having separated from his wife some time after his transition. Guardian 'feminism' correspondent. Balding. 6'3".

There's also Anne Lawrence, self-identified autogynephile mtf

It's not just men who say women are bitchy etc. I've heard plenty of women bang on about how they prefer hanging around with men because women are soooo bitchy and awful to be around.

oh shut up about wolf whistling! bloody hell

right will stop with the running commentary!

anne's game isn't she!

look at the women bonding, nice. men always paint women as being super competitive / bitchy / hateful together but in general we get on pretty well so that's another one where the story told doesn't match the reality

When IW watches it, I bet the first thing to trigger them will be the XX chromosomes in the intro.

I have succumbed.

Just read the list of who the slebs are that don't recognise and bang in there, let's see what's going on!

Has Owen ever admitted he was wrong about anything before? Seems like it would be terribly painful for him and would probably involve a lot of false starts and the kind of faces people normally only make when severely constipated.

Do you think Little Owen Jones is watching BB going OMG I was wrong!

Haha would be funny if IW managed to peak-trans Owen Jones.

I saw some people make that claim about Kellie Maloney after their CBB, that they weren't 'genuine' trans. Which is odd since according to current trans ideology anyone is whatever they say they are.

Little Owen Jones tweeted a few pro-trans things relating to India when the show first started, but even he has stopped!

I'm waiting for the TRAs and their handmaidens to claim that IW isn't a 'real' trans woman, but a mentally ill person who doesn't represent the 'real' gentle, feminine transwomen.

I've long suspected that when most people see "trans woman" they're picturing a Thai ladyboy, or Jazz Jennings - gay, not physically aggressive young men who don't come across as being an immediate threat to women. When woman say they'd be fine with trans women in shared female spaces I think that's who most of them are imagining having to share those spaces with. Being expected to share changing rooms and shelters and prison cells with people who've fathered children and whose body language and way of speaking comes across as 100% overbearing entitled male is not what they thought they were signing up for, and I don't think many of them realized that that's what they were going to get.

Andrew's explanation of why he wanted to try drag was terrific. And I wasn't remotely surprised when IW shouted it down.

It's interesting that I'm not seeing much defence of IW on social media, even from sources that are usually very pro-trans. I think lots of people want to be 'right on' and support the 'transwomen are women' mantra in the abstract but when they actually see it action, a clearly male individual throwing a strop because a heterosexual male doesn't want to sleep with them, it wakes them up a bit. At least I hope this is happening.

I love Ann. I hate many of her views, but she has the courage of her conviction. I don't even think it's arrogant about it, just steadfast. She reminds me of some of the older patients I would look after.

It's doing my head in, gaslighting style, that India used his protected species "Trans woman" status and power dynamics to sexually harass Ginuwine in front of millions of viewers and get away with it. No warning or penalty from Big Brother, no criticism, not even acknowledgement that he did it.

[His behaviour was so typically male, I honestly expected him to spit out "uptight bitch!" as he stormed off angrily when Ginuwine escaped his grip.]

"I've always had a sneaking admiration for her because of this. As a politician she was routinely mocked and ridiculed for her looks and virginity. I don't share her politics but remember feeling incensed on her behalf that the media did this."

Same. I think she's Wrong About Everything politically but that doesn't make the form the criticism of her usually took any less obviously sexist or diminish the fact that if must have taken some backbone to brush it off the way she appears to have done. Which is why I think IW isn't even trying to kick off with her, obvious that her backing down apologetically isn't going to happen.

This may have already been said, as I've missed about 70 posts. But some guy last night on CBB (first and last time I've watched it so I've no idea of his name, think he was a footballer) said that a trans person struggles to decide and accept their gender all their life, so why is it transphobic for anyone else to struggle with it too. Well something along those lines, he really put it well.

Anne isn't very gender conforming. She doesn't perform femininity, and nor does she do much male pandering

I've always had a sneaking admiration for her because of this. As a politician she was routinely mocked and ridiculed for her looks and virginity. I don't share her politics but remember feeling incensed on her behalf that the media did this.

There's no 'opinion' about it Datun IW is a Trans Identifying man who wants sex with a man, therefore IW is gay. Just as TIMs, who claim to be dick owning lesbians, are straight.

If India backs down from trying to force the universe to their will, then perhaps a more enjoyable life, with far less pain and conflict, will be possible.

I completely agree. And I really wish she would.

She said she hadn't had sex since the operation. Which is a surprise to no-one.

She wants to have sex with a man, that makes her gay, in my opinion.

I wish she could embrace her sexuality and discard her identity. Or, at least make it unimportant to her love life.

Having to further damage her psyche in order to attempt to reconcile something that is unreconcilable.

Well if India can admit to being a mentally ill male who has had surgery to appear female - then all hope is not lost.

The "I am a woman!" Is painful and disturbing to see.

If India backs down from trying to force the universe to their will, then perhaps a more enjoyable life, with far less pain and conflict, will be possible.

She is going to get an almighty shock when she comes out.

And that's the problem.

And identity/ideology that completely relies on fooling all the people all of the time.

It just won't happen.

She's been sold a lie.

She's an obnoxious, self entitled twat. Being trans has just amplified that.

I should imagine she will do the rounds of the talkshows and write articles in a desperate bid for damage limitation. Because her livelihood relies on her being transgender.

She will have to go further down the rabbit hole and drink pints of Kool-Aid. And much as I can't stand her, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Having to further damage her psyche in order to attempt to reconcile something that is unreconcilable.

The thing is, when she leaves, India will think she's getting criticism because she's trans not because she's a loon. I doubt she'll learn anything from this.