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Sooo Genuwine rejects trans woman's advances and he is in the wrong?

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80sQueen · 08/01/2018 22:42

Apologies in advance as this is Big Brother related. So watched I clip of the above and was wondering about people's views. As a R&B fan I know that Genuwine is a heterosexual male with, previously married and several children. He goes on BB assuming for the money and has advanced on by trans woman India Willoughby then makes advances towards him and he rejects "her" . She then storms off offended due to this and it is implied he is transphobic as 1. he doesn't want to kiss her and 2. Doesn't recognise her as female. Now I have lots of views about this but found it interesting that apparently this straight male Genuwine has no right to choose of state he is not sexually interested in someone who essentially was a male and is likely to be torn down as homophobic. Ironic given the current topics of sexual harassment that women are rightfully raising. Not sure what I'm asking really just thought it was interesting

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BeyondWW · 15/01/2018 10:43

Yy India has come across well in the past, the CBB behaviour was unexpected and much more what you'd associate with the "transtrenders" (India's word).

LangCleg · 15/01/2018 10:41

India wants to come across as firmly holding the truscum/transsexual position - surgical transition required to access women's spaces; anti-transtrenders, etc. But India is just SO narcissistic it's not coming across well. Still, a lot better than the Big Brother behaviour.

picklemepopcorn · 15/01/2018 10:41

India has been very fair in the past. She wasn't the problem. I was surprised to hear how badly she behaved on CBB. I suppose it was a very stressful situation, constructed to highlight conflict.

DeleteOrDecay · 15/01/2018 10:40

I'm not buying it. It's easy to come across well when you've been coached. The house is where she showed her true colours.

picklemepopcorn · 15/01/2018 10:40

That doesn't bother me. The pose at the start when introduced was very awkward looking.

BeyondWW · 15/01/2018 10:39

India agrees with third spaces. India has just gone up in my opinion Grin (only a little bit!)

picklemepopcorn · 15/01/2018 10:38

They are tackling some of the difficult issues. India is an exception to the problems.

DeleteOrDecay · 15/01/2018 10:38

IW comes across as so fake and the constant hand gestures are extremely irritating.

picklemepopcorn · 15/01/2018 10:34

Watching it now. Interesting. They are asking some of the questions.

DeleteOrDecay · 15/01/2018 09:41

Apparently they are not taking phone calls either.

What a farce. Why is IW getting such special treatment?

Thehairthebod · 15/01/2018 09:36

What, so IW is not going to be on the whole show. So she won't be taking about anything else accept for INDIA?

FFS.

DeleteOrDecay · 15/01/2018 09:33

Oh that's a shame, I was hoping they'd give her the whole show to help peak trans the nation.

BeyondWW · 15/01/2018 09:28

On at 10.30 according to the CBB thread

DeleteOrDecay · 15/01/2018 09:23

IW is going to be on The Wright Stuff shortly.

BeyondWW · 14/01/2018 13:20

Sorry, I could have been clearer... I have no issue (and indeed no right to have an issue!) with black women having an opinion on the concept of white feminism.
What I meant up there ^ is that the large majority of time when I see "white feminist" used as an insult, it is being used by a white male. Often one in a dress.

80sQueen · 14/01/2018 13:09

I am a supporter of women's rights too, not sure how long we will be able to be this until it's illegal though

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80sQueen · 14/01/2018 13:08

Actually the biggest critics of White Feminism are Black feminists and Black women me included

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OlennasWimple · 11/01/2018 18:14

I quite like that Courtney Act video on feminism. I'll even forgive the use of "cis" on this occasion

Glitterypinksoap · 11/01/2018 17:37

When did feminism as a word become completely detached from anything to do with actual women??

In the new exciting world of redefined feminism, it's about biological women shutting up and pursuing equal rights for absolutely everybody else, while centering men, and never actually mentioning themselves ever because that's just selfish and horrible. Basically the new redefined feminism recasts anyone with a vagina as everyone else's mummy, because it's feminism as re organised by men.

I am not a bloody feminist, I'm a supporter of women's rights.

www.facebook.com/awakenwithjp/videos/1985380678144451/

GuardianLions · 11/01/2018 16:39

no worries beyond

BeyondWW · 11/01/2018 15:18

Sorry I missed your third paragraph first time I read, guardians.

BeyondWW · 11/01/2018 15:17

The biggest critics of white feminism are usually white males ime.

GuardianLions · 11/01/2018 14:36

Just watched it and it wasn't as bad as I thought, because he does make the link between women's biology, patriarchy, male violence and women's oppression, and seems quite sincere about it.

He makes the mistake of showing a depiction of all those weird gender symbols and says 'all the sexes' when we know there are only two sexes - but I can forgive him, because these are treacherous waters to be navigating, so I am not surprised he is a bit confused.

Also the 'white feminism' thing is a load of bollocks. Feminism includes analysis of intersecting class oppression without falling down the rabbit hole of pomo bullshit, and the idea of 'white feminism' has really been an MRA effort to stir up misogyny and self-censorship within feminism to shut women up and let men in.

When Audre Lorde asked the white women to leave so the black women could discuss their particular experiences, the white women went willingly because they got the whole thing about intersecting oppression and the tendency of minority groups to get sidelined within movements. They didn't subscribe to this made up ideology of 'white feminism'.

Although Shane speaks of 'White Feminism' in that video, I think it sticks out as being a bit superficial (maybe his own 'white guilt') rather than the more radical feminist points he makes in the second half.

Thehairthebod · 11/01/2018 14:34

Thinking about Courtney's fairly explicit descriptions of the sex stuff they have got up to over the years - can you imagine how it would come across if a woman spoke that candidly about her sexual experiences?

Thehairthebod · 11/01/2018 14:33

Reading this thread I feel like I have led a sheltered life. I've never performed in, or watched a drag act!

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