First openly transgender woman in British Vogue Celebrating 100 years since women have been given the vote

Stella Creasy is saying on twitter she's being egalitarian re support for Trans when she's being called out on this. Yet another convenient 'get out' clause of discussing women's rights impacted by the trans agenda by side stepping the key conflict areas. She's not claiming to support trans as a feminist or because TIMs are women but as an egalitarian. I think she knows exactly what women are saying & is being a politician in her response (ignores the point raised, answers a different question, swivels focus to something completely different to topic being questioned).

I agree with Katie Hopkins on this particular subject (and a very small handful of other subjects) but I don't believe our reasons for agreeing are the same.

DH demonstrates the trouble well I think. Despite agreeing that India is not a woman any more than a legless cat is a slug, he will not say aloud that he agrees with Katie Hopkins. Even though I am the only person here! 🙄
That's how 'sold' people are on the idea of her as the ultimate bad guy. Which I'm not disagreeing with, but the idea that someone won't admit - even alone to their partner - that they agree demonstrates how deplorable it is seen to be.

I was actually sympathetic once upon a time. Now all I feel is affronted.

My god, I am at such peak trans I can’t even read about their fucking bullshit without getting really angry.

I hope no one thinks the child in that article is going to grow up with white privilege and then at some later date ‘claim’ to be black.

It’s not comparable at all

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Oh Sweet Jesus, I agree with Katie Hopkins too

No no no, its ok. She agrees with you and thats a different thing altogether.

Kitty no that's provably different. A white baby being born to black parents can be easily and objectively explained by science after conducting a few tests on the child. The tests are objective and the baby's feelings are irrelevant to diagnosis.

No such objective, no-feelings-necessary, diagnostic tests exist for transgenderism. Although they do for intersex, which is why TRAs keep trying to bring intersex people under the trans umbrella. Despite the fact that intersex organisations have repeatedly asked to be left out of trans campaigning.

That's just silly. Have they never heard of gingers or albinism? Recessive genes?
All facts can be turned upside down and inside out to serve the mendacious.

White children born to black parents have a genetic mutation though. Transwomen don’t. They are genetically male.

Once you bring in Dolezal, TRA can counter with white babies born to black parents. Surely, having black skin (or at least some shade that isn't white) is a prerequisite to being Black and I presume we would agree that these babies could claim to be black when they grow up even if their skin stays so white.

Just like a tw was "meant" to be born in a woman's body, they were meant to be born in a black body. No?
nypost.com/2010/07/21/blond-bombshell/
www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/world/2011-05-17-black-parents-shocked-when-son-was-born-white/

"A cat with no legs is not a slug"

😂😂😂

Yep, stopped clock...

As they say, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Oh Sweet Jesus, I agree with Katie Hopkins too

9th circle of hell for me

It's an odd day when you find you agree with Katie Hopkins! She has apparently tweeted: '...you can chop the dick off a man, but don’t end up with a woman'

www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/despicable-katie-hopkins-forced-deny-11788456.amp

This tweet sums up Stella Creasy
twitter.com/artemisprimed/status/949703790055362560

oh and this thread

twitter.com/genderrefusenik/status/949654375680524288

I don't follow The Pool but dip in every now and again (ha ha) - might just follow now to see how things go. I've been thinking since the LM episode that the silence has been deafening in the mainstream media. I know Jenni Murray got her arse handed to her on a plate when she ventured her (eminently sensible) opinion, so I guess Woman's Hour are wary of touching on the issue, but given their remit and the fact that they regularly feature the political issues affecting women specifically it's becoming increasingly weird that they haven't mentioned it. (Unless they have and I've missed it?)

Give it six months and tumblr trans advocates will have transitioned the suffragettes just like they did Joan of Arc.

Have to say I'm really disgusted with Stella Creasy in all this. Not only did she stand with a male transperson in a photoshoot about the suffragettes, the then defended it by slagging off the the suffragettes.

Then she tried to play the victim as though the other women were just picking on her because she's a woman. It's pathetic, treacherous and utterly weak

I follow the pool on FB and think it's pretty good for something that is pretty mainstream

Does anyone here follow The Pool on FB/Twitter? I will be very interested to see if they pick up these stories about Paris and India.

Up until now they have been very pro trans agenda, and did an article about Munroe Bergdorf being the face of L'Oréal, and often get Juno Dawson to write stuff. But recently under their transwomen articles there have been more and more voices of question, and I wonder if they are on the verge of peak transing?

Under one article someone questioned how Juno Dawson is acceptable as a woman but Rachel Dolzeal isn't acceptable as a black person and The Pool replied that obviously they are completely different, but when pressed couldn't answer why and there was radio silence afterwards.

I follow them on FB and so far there hasn't been anything about Paris Lees in Vogue.

Interesting...

I don't know how popular The Pool actually is, loads of my friends follow it, but relatively they don't have that many.

That's really annoying.

I know India is meant to be locked in the house with no media etc, but wonder if that's really the case, and perhaps knew about the Vogue cover before going in.

India is going to be somewhat put out when they find that Paris is now the new suffragette according to Vogue

Yes I said below that I thought it was maybe deliberate.

Finding this thread rather cheery this morning!

India is going to be somewhat put out when they find that Paris is now the new suffragette according to Vogue