First openly transgender woman in British Vogue Celebrating 100 years since women have been given the vote

ALunerExplorer you try and change the subject on every thread. And tell lies - a lot. Why don't you start your own thread in chat about women with facial hair or pcos? This thread isn't about that.

we know that. Facial hair is why I am sitting here with mild chemical burns. Conforming to stupid GENDER STEREOTYPES. Which the Vogue awards did nothing to change at all. No women in wheelchairs, no women with facial hair. Just same old same old shiny frocks and high heels. So womanly. Much female. How much longer do women have to stay restricted in these spaces?

But she's not in the guiness book of records for having a beard. She has PCOS. (Polycystic Ovarian Syndrom).

I ran a local support group for women with PCOS for many years. Many have that level of facial hair. Some spend time and money trying to get rid of it. One or two don't. (I think they are really brave not to. Wish I had the courage).

Oh, sorry, forgot to mention - as a result of my having PCOS, if I didn't spend hods of cash on hair removal, I would have a beard like that. (And Harnaam is in the guiness book of records as the youngest woman to have a full beard too).

Yes Lunar, women like her are really common, that's why she in the Guinness book of records. FFS. 😒

Ok I thought I was at peak luner but I've just sailed past it.
Harnaam Kaur looks nothing like Danielle Muscato. Harnaam Kaur does not look like a man (ably demonstrated by the picture of her next to her brother).
Stop trying to use a brave woman with a medical condition to push your agenda. I really hope you don't know Harnaam in real life. I'm embarrassed for you.

Here is a public example of women like her I know - Harnaam Kaur: www.theguardian.com/fashion/2016/sep/13/lady-with-a-beard-if-youve-got-it-rock-it-guinness-world-records

If you meant what you said that being a woman is nothing to do with what you look like, why the sarcasm?
Because you are talking rubbish to try to derail us from the topic at hand and get us to start talking about womanhood in terms of acceptable femininity in terms of looks rather than as a biological reality. I see what you are doing and I find the desperation amusing.

Does it really surprise anyone? On the week of the anniversary of 'some' women' right to vote, we've already got a bloke in Big Brother' pushing hugs and other physical contact onto women.

it's a distraction. I don't care if FTM transitioning transwomen can ''pass' (though I understand why they care). As a woman, with facial hair, acne, weight issues and a whole ton of other shit that is quite normal, I would prefer not to have transwomen propping up stupid stereotypes about what makes a woman at an awards ceremony for WOMEN.

This. In. Spades. It's stereotypes that have contributed to this mess.

I ventured onto the British Vogue twitter page. A woman commented under a tweet referring to this article and asked why no disabled women are included in the feature.

It's a good point. They won't include disabled women in their feature but are more than happy to include a transwoman.

Fucking ridiculous.

shame no one told Paris that isn't it @Luner?

There is no need to be offensive here, Lunar.

Thank you!

I shall be back with some more #peakALunerExplorer thoughts soon. Have a good day.

No.

I am stating that our 'perceptions' of what is womanly, are white and western-centric.

Its why Serena Williams is accused of 'really being a man' by people who are racist. (And transphobic). Ditto for Michelle Obama.

And yes, I do know cis women who look Danielle Muscado. If you meant what you said that being a woman is nothing to do with what you look like, why the sarcasm?

We don't combat toxic masculinity by practising it.

working where I do is hell. People should be speaking up and no one is. Academia is not challenging or being allowed to challenge any of this very much.

The only ones here who apply patriarchal standards to women are trans women and by doing so they reinforce those standards to to the detriment of women.

I still can't believe that someone who wrote that abhorrent article is being lauded as a modern day suffragette. I feel like I am in a weird parallel universe or something!

The media is blatantly trolling women. It's all such a laugh.

Me too thehairthebod. It's all happening so frighteningly quickly, it feels like a bad nightmare. Like the Handmaid's Tale. And so few women willing to speak up.

also don't believe that you know many bald women with full beards ALunerExplorer.

Neither do I. #peakalunerexplorer indeed.

The thing with Paris going on about being 'pretty' enough to be accepted is nothing to do with whether or not transwomen 'pass' and everything to do with her misogynistic view that women are there for decoration and to be 'eye fucked' in the street. She was happy to be on the receiving end of harassment because it validated her place as a 'sexy' object, which in her eyes is obviously what 'woman' means.

I still can't believe that someone who wrote that abhorrent article is being lauded as a modern day suffragette. I feel like I am in a weird parallel universe or something!

I also don't believe that you know many bald women with full beards ALunerExplorer. I'm sick of being told to believe the unbelievable regarding all of this. We're not idiots.

The suffragettes would have been appalled by the way men have colonised womanhood in 2018.

YY. What a fucking mockery.

And that is before we even consider the fact that what is considered 'womanly' is entirely dominated by white/western standards.
Are you implying that black/non-western women are manly? Because that is a very hackneyed racist trope.

How disingenous, Luner. Yes, women all look very different. We are fat, old, short, tall, fat, thin, short haired, long haired. We can still tell when a man is pretending to be one of us, though.

I know many cis women who look like Danielle Muscato (reasons for which vary).
Of course you do. The world is full of women who look just like short fat bearded men with male pattern baldness

luner no-one on here wants to apply patriarchal beauty standards to women. Being a woman is not about what you look like. It's about being an adult human female.
A trans woman is not a woman, no matter what she looks like.
If she passes she will be treated as a woman but she still isn't a woman.

it's a distraction. I don't care if FTM transitioning transwomen can ''pass' (though I understand why they care). As a woman, with facial hair, acne, weight issues and a whole ton of other shit that is quite normal, I would prefer not to have transwomen propping up stupid stereotypes about what makes a woman at an awards ceremony for WOMEN.