Ok so someone educate me about neo vaginas **Title edited by MNHQ at the OP's request**

I love the way that image looks like the symbol for female smile

Crikey, it does, doesn't it! I never noticed that.

That image makes me smile every time I see it.

& it's not going to be something you can replicate with a bit of willy. It just isn't.

Although I'm glad our visitor is able to enjoy orgasms. That's great.

The clitoris develops from an outgrowth in the embryo called the genital tubercle. Initially undifferentiated, the tubercle develops into either a penis or a clitoris during the development of the reproductive system depending on exposure to androgens (which are primarily male hormones). The clitoris is a complex structure, and its size and sensitivity can vary.

Lucy Amethyst ... the surgically reconstructed tip of the penis into a simulacrum of a clitoris ignores the biological fact that the female clitoris biological structure inhabits the labia and extends toward the vagina. The female clitoris is the external focus of a gloriously sensual underground biological structure. The female clitoris is not an isolated organ .. it is connected with the entire female vulva.

No amount of surgery can reconstruct such a wonderfully sensual natural structure.

It's like a caped crusader. On acid

I love the way that image looks like the symbol for female

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Those pictures remind me of this:

www.greatwallofvagina.co.uk/shop/internal-affairs-internal-vagina-casting

The female body is pretty awesome.

I do love those pictures of the clitoris.

It is the height of misogyny to assume these beautiful biological structures can be surgically reconstructed from the male anatomy. But fairly typical of men to believe that they can - they generally have no respect for the female reproductive system, or female sexuality.

A post op transwoman is not female. A surgically reconstructed penis is not a clitoris.

It's like a caped crusader. On acid.

Terry 😂

I suggest that July 3rd is now formally known as ‘The Night of the Zombie Thread Front Hole Apocalypse’

Look forward to celebrating it again next year, a bit like ‘Ed Balls Day’.

Even if someone had no clitoris, it can be constructed from tissue taken from the internal vestibular bulbs below the surface and retain sensitivity and orgasmic ability.

Yes I understand that you can still manage to "retain" some sensitivity. But my point is that you don't have the anatomical structure required. You simply don't have enough nerve endings to replicate a female orgasm in any way.

Plus It's well known that when men orgasm the show is over.

We haven't even got onto the subject of multiple orgasms or the ability of women to continue to absorb pleasure for a long period of time, way after their male lover is satisfied

Lets just remember the fact that a male human is genetically more similar to a male Chimpanzee than to a human Female and that no actual Female humans have a prostate gland. Oh and men with surgically created faux-vaginas are not and never will be Female.

The answer is that it doesn't, sakura184. These genital surgeons do their best but it's inevitable that they can only produce a fairly crude approximation, though I assume they're getting better.

Still, as long as it's penetrable that's probably the important thing for patients, though I gather neovaginas often lose depth quite soon, despite dilation. However people who are suicidally dysphoric may feel just getting rid of their male genitals is worth it, whatever the alternative.

If we must keep this thread going, how about we follow a PP's suggestion, and start referring to our anatomy as "birth canal" rather than vagina, to underline the fact that it is a functioning part of our reproductive systems?

Birth canals are amazing. They stretch far enough to enable a baby to be birthed, then ping back into place so (after you've recovered from the birth) you can still enjoy sex. Brilliant piece of evolution.

Yes. Or they can orgasm just by thinking about it

Indeed. 🥂

sakura184

"I just don't think it's going to be anything like an actual clitoris because it just doesn't have the sheer amount of nerve endings required. Plus loads of nerve endings will be lost in surgery. In light of this I highly doubt that post op transwomen are orgasming from their clitoris"

No, trans women don't have a clitoris, but post-op females do, and they can orgasm. If you want I can prove it to you?

The clitors develops from an outgrowth in the embryo called the genital tubercle. Initially undifferentiated, the tubercle develops into either a penis or a clitoris during the development of the reproductive system depending on exposure to androgens (which are primarily male hormones). The clitoris is a complex structure, and its size and sensitivity can vary.

Research indicates that the vestibular bulbs are more closely related to the clitoris than to the vestibule because of the similarity of the trabecular and erectile tissue within the clitoris and bulbs, and the absence of trabecular tissue in other genital organs, with the erectile tissue's trabecular nature allowing engorgement and expansion during sexual arousal. Ginger et al. state that although a number of texts report that they surround the vaginal opening, this does not appear to be the case and tunica albuginea does not envelop the erectile tissue of the bulb.

The are homologous to the bulb of penis and the adjoining part of the corpus spongiosum of the male and consist of two elongated masses of erectile tissue. Their posterior ends are expanded and are in contact with the greater vestibular glands; their anterior ends are tapered and joined to one another by the pars intermedia; their deep surfaces are in contact with the inferior fascia of the urogenital diaphragm; superficially, they are covered by the bulbospongiosus.

Even if someone had no clitoris, it can be constructed from tissue taken from the internal vestibular bulbs below the surface and retain sensitivity and orgasmic ability.

Many women can achieve orgasm through contracting muscles, without even touching the clitoris.

Yes. Or they can orgasm just by thinking about it although I know this is rare and most women probably haven't. I'm just musing on how different all women are, how individual our orgasms are, how some are clitoral, some not , how some contract the womb and some don't. I just refuse to believe that any of this can be replicated

I'm not the thread police just adding my tuppence worth as we all do.

Up to individual posters to decide who will be the "winner" in Narcs V Lurkers: The Zombie Thread Front Hole Apocalypse

You have seriously missed the point.

Actually, Lucy Amethyst, it is you who may have "seriously missed the point.

Differences in sexual development [DSDs] are applicable to only females or males.

Read: www.leonardsax.com/how-common-is-intersex-a-response-to-anne-fausto-sterling/

Anyway we know that doctors can't magic nerves out of nowhere so the neovag and it's attending clitoris don't have the raw materials necessary for a functioning clitoris. So how does it work?

From what I understand the head of the penis is used to make the clitoris. But since it has something like half the number of nerve endings, it's nowhere near as sensitive and the orgasm is therefore completely different.

Imagine what you do to a penis to produce ejaculation, and what you do to a clitoris.

Many women can achieve orgasm through contracting muscles, without even touching the clitoris.

Relevant Reddit subs are ‘transgender surgeries’ and ‘neovagina disasters’ if anyone fancies comparing their ordinary, old fashioned xx vulva to the new-fangled kind.

Having looked at quite a few neovaginas, i’m alarmed to observe that the entrance is far, far, closer to the anus than is likely healthy or safe.

Wonder why they are so close together? It makes it obviously not female from the most cursory glance.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine

"A very small minority of people have disorders of sexual development - these individuals have asked not to be co-opted by the trans movement and I think you should respect that."

You have seriously missed the point.

Go back and look again, the woman in question did not have a DSD, she was born a normal healthy female, a mother who had 2 children, a female who could have been a member of a forum like this, and she had an XY karyotype.

Science is changing, the human being is evolving, previous beliefs about sex and chromosomes are being challenged. You can no longer use the XX/XY as an excuse.

How do you know its a small minority? Have you tested every single female on the planet?

Remember the Sydney Olympics when they tested all female athletes for chromosomes? How many women did they accuse of being male, who NEVER even knew they had a Y chromosome?

I just don't think it's going to be anything like an actual clitoris because it just doesn't have the sheer amount of nerve endings required. Plus loads of nerve endings will be lost in surgery. In light of this I highly doubt that post op transwomen are orgasming from their clitoris

this zombie thread should be left to die as its only use is to provide narcissistic supply.

Is it obvious enough to lurkers that this individual is talking bullshit? If so, I will happily desist.