Ok so someone educate me about neo vaginas **Title edited by MNHQ at the OP's request**

I also remember entertaining a pub table's worth of my workmates when at about 8 1/2 months, DS decided to do a full Olympic standard tumbling routine in utero - the results of which were clearly visible through a thick woolly jumper. This table of blokes simultaneously fascinated and horrified (and all thinking "John Hurt in Alien")

Cleaning my screen ... having spat out my wine from laughing!

Look I am not here to cause a war, merely to try and help people to understand and hopefully educate some too.

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Honestly, you couldn't make it up.

Look I am not here to cause a war, merely to try and help people to understand and hopefully educate some too.

I will leave it now, as its obvious that the bigotry and mysoginy on here is not going to change.

I hope one day you will all open your minds to the similarity of the scientific makeup of our bodies and how people like me struggle to be accepted as a female.

You see me as a man invading a female space, but that is not my intention, because if you actually met me in person and realised my struggle and suffering, you might actually start to understand.

On one hand we have women who want to be treated as equal to men, which is how it should be, but on the other we have women who refuse this, and want to believe that men are the superior sex, but my evidence today has proven the opposite, we are all biologically female, with androgens being used to determine male characteristics. Take away the androgens (if they even existed to begin with, as they weren't with me, which is why I was never a man) and you are scientifically female.

I had a DSD, I had a micro penis, which is why I could not have surgery with the NHS, so I had to have a grafted neovagina. Having a micro penis was a blessing, as it meant I had more sensation, because many of the nerve endings that the clitoris would have are lost during full development of the penis.

I did not want to be born this way, and to be rude and offensive to claim I am a man in disguise is not only bigoted but also mysoginistic and extremely offensive, as there's much more to being male or female than just having a penis or not.

We have the same pelvic floor, the same clitoral and genital structure and the same breast tissue as you, yes I can lactate and produce milk, because my body is a homologue of a female and the differences are turned on and off by hormones, which many of you will experience when you start to masculinise once you reach menopause, maybe only then will you start to understand how being a female with a female brain trapped inside a body that is masculinizing really tears you apart.

Have a nice life!

I do believe there’s a word used in these circumstances. A word to describe how a born male decides they know much more about a subject and goes to great lengths to explain to the nearest women that they know much more about the subject despite said woman being an expert on the subject. It rhymes with pansplaining.

Yes, I need a smear, too, I found a reminder letter underneath a pile of dusty crap over the weekend. Argh! No time to do everything i need to get done!!

So this appropriation and one-upmanship is both distasteful and unsurprising.

Indeed .. there is nothing more wonderful than the natural female organism, explicitly constructed by nature to deliver the large gamete [ovum], to gestate and give birth to generations of humanity.

No body that is naturally created by nature to deliver the small gamete [sperm] can ever know what is the female organism. Such an inhabited body can only fantasise

[No amount of surgical or medical intervention can do anything more than create a simulacrum. It is deeply regrettable that such people have been so misled by medical practitioners.]

Yes - pregnancy is fucking amazing (in a slightly annoying and uncomfortable way). I remember when I was pregnant catching a bit of a radio 4 programme on how AI specialists hoped to use a supercomputer roughly comparable to Deep Blue to simulate one small part of a monkey's brain, and thinking "wow, I'm currently growing a whole human brain for approximately the expenditure of a mars bar's worth of extra calories a day!"

I also remember entertaining a pub table's worth of my workmates when at about 8 1/2 months, DS decided to do a full Olympic standard tumbling routine in utero - the results of which were clearly visible through a thick woolly jumper. This table of blokes simultaneously fascinated and horrified (and all thinking "John Hurt in Alien")

I'm slightly in awe of the malespeak, the use of random gibberish to convince the silly women that there is actual science behind the claims that a clitoris can be replicated using the nerves of a male anatomy.

A wise person once said, if you can't explain something in simple terms then you haven't understood it yourself.

The female body is nothing short of miraculous.

Absolutely! I remember when I was pregnant doing some research into breastfeeding. Until then milk had just been something you bought in a supermarket. But when I found out more about breast milk and how the composition changes etc my mind was fairly blown.

Mind you, my mind is still blown by the fact I grew an actual person inside of me...

That reminds me, I need a smear, a mammogram AND a coil change.

Been putting it all off while DD has been poorly, but y’all have reminded me to pay better attention to my marvellous female anatomy.

BTW, what are people's favourite recipes for vulva cupcakes?

JackyHolyoake

"Lucy Amethyst ... the surgically reconstructed tip of the penis into a simulacrum of a clitoris ignores the biological fact that the female clitoris biological structure inhabits the labia and extends toward the vagina. The female clitoris is the external focus of a gloriously sensual underground biological structure. The female clitoris is not an isolated organ .. it is connected with the entire female vulva.

No amount of surgery can reconstruct such a wonderfully sensual natural structure."

Exactly my point, except your last comment. The clitoris has the vestibular or clitoral bulbs, which are also present in the male as the penal bulb and are biological homologues. The penis is also not an isolated organ, and shares the same structure and origin as the vestibule, clitoral bulbs and crus, which have the same position and purpose in both sexes.

I'm always a little askance at someone who was, shall we say, born with a male anatomy, coming on to FWR to discuss their orgasms...

I can definitely feel where they're scraping when they do a cervical smear

YY. It's a horrible feeling, just feels so wrong. And you've just reminded me I'm due one as well

But I would question your last point. The number of nerve endings does not change the type of orgasm,

It does. Sorry.

Prawn I think large chunks are c&p-ed from wikipedia! But yes, gish gallop and walls of text, we have definitely seen this before.

I recently saw that anatomical diagram of a breast, with all the milk ducts - again, fabulous

Yes! Mind blowingly awesome.

I too am glad that Lucy can orgasm. But this pointless 'I now have your anatomy' nonsense, is automatically chinny reckoned by every woman reading it.

We know what we are. We live it.

The female body is nothing short of miraculous. From start to finish. And the way all the elements are interwoven is truly extraordinary.

And it's potential is often undervalued, abused, denigrated and destroyed.

So this appropriation and one-upmanship is both distasteful and unsurprising.

This walls of text business and the gish galloping. Who does it remind me of?

That's the one, itsall

I can definitely feel where they're scraping when they do a cervical smear.

I want a t-shirt with that image on and the slogan "Caped Crusader on Acid."

I recently saw that anatomical diagram of a breast, with all the milk ducts - again, fabulous what female anatomy looks like, and what it can do.

This one?

It's amazing how hidden structures in the body can be so beautiful in a weird sort of way.

I have weird anatomy. While I was having a smear I suddenly said "Ooh, that tickles". The nurse told me I shouldn't be able to feel it, let alone find it tickly.

So I told her, in terms of a clock, exactly where she'd tickled. Her face was a picture.

Anyone else? I don't think I can be that weird. Though I've been wrong before.

Datun

"From what I understand the head of the penis is used to make the clitoris. But since it has something like half the number of nerve endings, it's nowhere near as sensitive and the orgasm is therefore completely different."

In penile inversion yes the clitoris is made from the glans of the penis.

In my type of surgery it was taken from the Frenular Delta.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frenular_delta

The Frenular Delta has more nerve endings than the rest of the penis.

But I would question your last point. The number of nerve endings does not change the type of orgasm, as every female has a different level of sensation, some can't orgasm at all, so its wrong to assume that this marks a differentiation.

Orgasm comes from a variety of factors, sensation yes, but also psychological and hormonal factors. As someone who has experienced both, I can say that the orgasm is completely different.

That image is indeed beautiful, Datun.

I recently saw that anatomical diagram of a breast, with all the milk ducts - again, fabulous what female anatomy looks like, and what it can do.