Ok so someone educate me about neo vaginas **Title edited by MNHQ at the OP's request**

Barracker emphatically, yes to many of those.
In fact, love to.all you wonderful.womdn who have shared many eloquent posts talking about the wonders of the female bodily experience, which the thread resurrector has deemed 'misogyny and bigotry', because words don't have to actually mean anything at all now, or something.

@Barracker
Yes and because women simply aren't listened to or deemed worthy of having anything of value to say, male professionals even if the fields of gynecology and obstetrics are still clueless about female orgasms and even birth. So that's why I think surgeons are getting away with convincing unsuspecting patients that they can replicate female experiences and anatomy. It just boils down to an absolute lack of knowledge

This segue into female anatomy has had me thinking about some specifically female sensations that stay with me, and I suspect will stick for life. I can conjure the sensation just thinking of it.
Period draggy uterus-falling-out feeling.
The let-down milk reflex: makes my eyes water to think of it, not in a painful way but in a yawn way
The engorged breast feeling before a feed.
God. Blocked milk ducts.
But the feeling when you release a plug from a blocked duct. Oh my.
The feeling of a baby doing a somersault inside. For that matter, the way my breasts tingled and my uterus had a lovely specific ache in the early days of pregnancy
Actual female orgasm. My uterus participates, I expect I'm not the only one.

So many. And whilst not every woman experiences them all, no man ever does or ever will. They're unequivocally and exclusively female.

It’s almost like a threat!

They always say they're going to flounce, Hirsute. They rarely do, in my experience.

“This will be my final post on the matter, now I am going to find out how to delete myself from this place.”

Quoted, just in case you forget and come back.

@LucyAmethyst

Yes but we are still a sexually dimorphic species. A male can never become a female. We aren't on a continuum of sex.

Your DNA , and whether you will be born female or male, is decided by which sperm enters the egg. In other words the sperm decides the sex.

That's why it always angers me when men in India divorce their wives because she only gave birth to daughters. It's the SPERM arhat decides the sex you idiots.

For those who want to try and influence which sex baby they will have they say that male sperms swim faster but die quicker and female sperms swim slower but are hardier and last longer. So if you want a boy you should aim to conceive peak cycle and if you want a girl you should try to conceive a few days before peak cycle. I've got no idea if this works but it sounds plausible.

which many of you will experience when you start to masculinise once you reach menopause, maybe only then will you start to understand how being a female with a female brain trapped inside a body that is masculinizing really tears you apart.

Lol, I’m 5 years post menopause, and my female body is not tearing me apart. It’s a bit saggy and wrinkly in places, my fanny doesn’t quite work as it used to in its heyday when it once pushed out a 10lb baby in 15 minutes flat, but I’m definitely not trapped in a masculine body.

I can definitely feel where they're scraping when they do a cervical smear

Same...makes me feel a little sick

We don't become 'masculinised'

Of course we females don't become masculinised .. the female body can never produce the amount of testosterone that a male body produces at any stage in its life cycle .. the female body is naturally created completely differently from the male body.

See also: www.medscape.com/viewarticle/893280?src=soc_fb_180302_mscpedt_news_mdscp_transgender&faf=1

I had a DSD, I had a micro penis
You still have a DSD. The surgery didn't make you female. I wish you could have been happy being a man with a DSD. The medical professionals have really let you down.
Anyway that's enough narcissistic supply.

sakura184

What if there are women out there who believe that females are biologically superior. Not saying I do, but I've come across women who think like this. Our longevity and relative good health and the fact that females are the original prototype for humanity would suggest this. Plus we know that the Y chromosome is in steady decline but nobody likes to talk about it. Females evolve with each generation but males do not. Women recover better from strokes and use more of their brain and so on.

You have probably summed up everything I was trying to explain. The reason people like me exist is the evolution of the human race, in that the Y chromosome is dying out, and eventually the race will consist only of females.

Maybe all of you should think very carefully about what this poster is saying, because in human biology the female is the default, the male evolves from the female, has identical female structure and that is why because of evolution people like me happen.

Many of you are lucky to be able to conceive and give birth to a baby, something I will likely never be able to experience, but give a thought to all the women who are unable to conceive, for whatever reason, and think that just maybe, they might be the result of a similar condition to what I had.

This will be my final post on the matter, now I am going to find out how to delete myself from this place.

If you only knew what I suffer...

I find it astonishing that someone dares to compare a neovagina to my battered old vagina that had to be nursed back to health after the mahoosive head of DD travelled through it. No constructed orifice could stretch to to accommodate that baby, believe me.

Datun you're a more patient woman than I am - I'm just skipping our new poster's contributions. Can't be arsed.

If they'd come along and said "this is my lived experience, if you're interested about hearing about it, ask", then I would indeed have been interested. But someone coming along and saying "I'm just the same as you, I am, I am, I am, give me my narcissistic supply right now..." Nope, not so interested. In fact not at all interested.

But some of the other posts the resurrection is prompting, particularly the lovely pictures of the whole of the female reproductive system in all its glory - those are worth reading.

This whole 'body masculinises at menopause' thing is also making me chuckle.

I sort of see where you might see it like that, on a micro, superficial, secondary characteristic level, in that I'm growing some damn fine whiskers these days.

Still entirely female, though, whatever my peculiar hormone imbalances leading to hirsuteness. I won't be needing a prostate check, for example.

I think if you're a bit unfamiliar with how the female body works you could get a bit confused about this stuff. Not so much if you've inhabited one for 5 decades.

Weirdly my body is still female with no evidence of any masculine bits despite being long past menopause. Quel surprise!

You can tell yourself till you’re blue in the face that your body is identical to that of a natal female.

But no natal female will actually believe you. Because it’s clearly not true, as you would know if you took the time to actually listen to women talking about their experiences instead of constantly telling us that our experiences are what you believe them to be.

Was pleased to discover several of my ‘school mum group’ WhatsApp chat group are reading Invisible Women at the moment.
Biological sex affects women so profoundly, doesn’t it?

www.amazon.co.uk/s?hvlocphy=9046617&hvnetw=g&hvadid=259042122885&k=invisible+women&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI67e5ps-Z4wIVpjXTCh1_WgUyEAAYASAAEgLRFvD_BwE&ref=pd_sl_91et4du0za_e&hydadcr=24401_1748869&hvpos=1t1&hvdev=t&hvqmt=e&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&hvtargid=kwd-300054845456&adgrpid=53934934740&hvrand=10050814282195219040

On one hand we have women who want to be treated as equal to men, which is how it should be, but on the other we have women who refuse this, and want to believe that men are the superior sex,

The only two options available . Males and females are equal OR males are superior. Nothing else.

What if there are women out there who believe that females are biologically superior. Not saying I do, but I've come across women who think like this. Our longevity and relative good health and the fact that females are the original prototype for humanity would suggest this. Plus we know that the Y chromosome is in steady decline but nobody likes to talk about it. Females evolve with each generation but males do not. Women recover better from strokes and use more of their brain and so on.

It is deeply regrettable that such people have been so misled by medical practitioners.

This. It seems to me unethical to uncritically affirm everything a patient says. A man cannot become a woman, or vice versa. I always think of poor Jazz Jennings and others like them where no-one has once stepped in and said, "hang-on, you do realise that you can't literally change sex don't you, and that a lifetime of medical intervention may not be the best way to make you feel better about yourself".

It's so sad when you see all these stories of people who think that surgery will solve all of their problem, but instead they end up mutilated, and perhaps more importantly with a massively limited potential sexual relationship pool. It's very sad, and I think in a couple of decades there is going to be a huge backlash against the doctors who did this to people.

I missed this thread first time round. I was enjoying reading it, including looking at the images of the clitoris and those incredible 3d models. And the respectful discussion with Rachel.

As I read I was thinking 'I wonder why this thread has been revived?'

Pfft. What a disappointment.

Time to go make some cakes for the school fête.

I don't go for smears because of the patriarchy. I did go for one years ago and it came back positive and I thought I had cancer then I looked into it and found that even being at the end of your period can cause you to have an abnormal smear.
That's the problem with women though. They just don't know what's good for them and they're known for having their own mind and not doing what they're told. A perpetual thorn in the side.