Ok so someone educate me about neo vaginas **Title edited by MNHQ at the OP's request**

Budge up a bit on Barracker's couch, Maid, you need to make room for Ereshkigal.

Now, about your childhoods...

MN taught me more than my biology teacher ever did. I was 32 when an AIBU thread alerted me to the difference between vulva and vagina.

rather than "NOOOOO, not George Osborne" in utter horror.

That was me once!

It's not famous people prickly. It's usually men at work that I absolutely cannot stand. Very embarrassing.

For some unaccountable reason, that seems to be quite common Quentin - I've seen lots of threads on here about "tell me your worst ever dream sex partner". Particularly slimy and unattractive Tory politicians always seem to be quite a recurrent theme.

It is very annoying, though. My dreams certainly never feature (insert hot movie star or sportsman of my waking fantasy moments here), more's the pity. I suppose I should just count myself lucky they tend to feature fairly neutral men I know vaguely in RL - I always wake up thinking "why him?" in puzzlement, rather than "NOOOOO, not George Osborne" in utter horror.

This is a way to get a fetish utterly legitimised and supported by the government

Datun - it's those we see in government & running corporations/big business that are practising it in the first place!

This whole trans agenda is coming from the top down.

That made me laugh!
I have really vivid dreams too. For some reason my brain like to do sex dreams about men I find utterly repellent and annoying in real life. It's disturbing.

Golf ball.
Excellent.

Do sit down on my couch my dear. We've a lot to get through. I charge £100 an hour. Now, tell me about your childhood...

It doesn't surprise me at all that a woman is completely ignorant about her own body. We're barely taught about ourselves and how amazing vaginas are.

Reading descriptions of the surgeries performed as they're described here makes me go absolutely cold. It's mutilation, plain and simple.

And just to remove any suggestion that I’m a weirdo, I have also dreamt, again years ago, that I was a golf ball getting hit into a hole.

That’s not weird, right?

Thanks for the links.

I remember a dream I once had. It was years ago but uniquely unusual and I can still recall the feeling.

I had a penis and I was penetrating a female (unknown). I recall the thrusting, and feeling frustrated that her bum (lifted on my thighs) was stopping me further. I was turned on immensely by this strange activity.

(Sexually explicit and adventurous dreams are routine for me, so I didn’t dwell on it. But I don’t think there’s ever been another time I’ve dreamt of having a penis...)

I can only wonder what would happen if a young girl vocalised such a dream these days.

QuentinSummers

That's an interesting link. I can actually completely understand the desire to not just be, let's call it the aggressor, in sex, but actually to penetrate. With an organ. There is something very dominant about it. And I can easily see the appeal.

What I can't possibly understand is it troubling you to the extent you have surgery. Especially as, from what I can tell, it all but ruins your sex life. It's delusional.

And I agree. More talk about the clitoris and its, in my opinion, huge supremacy as a sexual organ, is probably on the cards.

I'll be going over female anatomy with my DD tomorrow. I'm pretty sure I've explained the basics but it's time for a refresher, I think.

YY. I think even a clitoral piercing technically counts as FGM.

It's like when I read about FGM.

Any of the FTM surgery here would fall squarely into this definition of the UK criminal offence of Femal Genital Mutilation (FGM)
A person is guilty of an offence if he excises, infibulates or otherwise mutilates the whole or any part of a girl’s labia majora, labia minora or clitoris.

Except it it falls into one of these exceptions

(a)a surgical operation on a girl which is necessary for her physical or mental health, or
(b)a surgical operation on a girl who is in any stage of labour, or has just given birth, for purposes connected with the labour or birth.

Interested to understand if FTM bottom surgery was requested for cosmetic reasons rather than medical necessity, if it would then fall under the criminal FGM offence

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One has to wonder what the male partners of gay transmen (aka hetero sex between bio male and female) make of the act of their partner pumping saline into a constructed penis.

Not that many transmen are sexually attracted to men, but some are. I'm thinking of that mother->transman+ son->trans girl family in the states. I wonder if the mother has plans to undergo the surgery, and how happy the father is to discover he's now gay...

Oh and this is the one I actually meant to link.
I love her, so clever and insightful
purplesagefem.wordpress.com/2016/07/17/patriarchy-and-female-sexuality-part-2/

maid I found this blog (and others by purple sage fem) very enlightening about women wanting a penis.
purplesagefem.wordpress.com/2015/07/22/on-lesbian-lust-and-identifying-as-male/

I think it might help to talk more about female sexuality and sex.

I have been following these threads and trying to establish my mindset...I'm sure I would get called Terfy McTerf were I to make it known that while I will respect chosen pronouns and people's right to live as they wish, I have concerns about the GRA, transing children and the lack of debate.

However, this is the first time I have felt properly heartbroken that the lie of new genitals, at the expense of one of the greatest sensations there is, is being sold to vulnerable people (dysphoric young people especially). It's like when I read about FGM.

I’m gong to descend into horrors on this thread. And now ask a vastly inappropriate question.

TIFs having penile surgery... Um, would it not be more satisfying for both participants if a prosthetic that could stimulate each was used? A female that goes through this surgery to create what sounds like a barely functional organ (if you have to pump it, it’s basically a fake anyway) that offers barely any pleasure.... I’m baffled.

Although I have no idea how it feels to really want a penis, admittedly. But this strikes me as a very severe dysphoria, while males having vaginoplasty I can still ascribe to fetishists.

I’m properly wide-eyed at this.

Datun - sometimes I click on his articles to see how long it is before he mentions something stomach churningly inappropriate. An piece on ' being alone at Christmas ' cited one of the downsides as not being given 'knickers that barely cover the vagina'. Strange visual image but classic Juno (don't mention agp).

It's very common for both men and women to think that women urinate from the vagina. I might have thought that myself if I hadn't been taught about it during my nursing training. To be fair, the urethral opening can be quite hard to find.

My 40 year old friend thought that you'd peed out of your vagina and didn't realise women had three holes and men had two. She was visiting me in hospital and thought the catheter was inserted into the vagina, she was aghast when I explained it to her - it's not uncommon for women to be ignorant of their anatomy.