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Horray for Wings Over Scotland

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 03/01/2018 13:45

Brilliant brilliant article

wingsoverscotland.com/the-law-that-nobody-wants/

Please - anyone on twitter, can you retweet this and copy in Nicola Sturgeon @NicolaSturgeon

We need to get the Nationalists AND the Unionist talking about this.

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QueenLaBeefah · 05/01/2018 13:26

Thanks for replying. I'll write a letter to my MP and MSP. Maybe there is hope after all.

RevStu · 05/01/2018 13:24

"Your article was textbook radfem - did you have conversations with radfems that informed you of this level of detail or was your research proactive?"

Ha, I'm rarely accused of being overly cosy with radfems :) But I've been discussing this topic in general with a couple for a while.

And yeah, I don't really have a dog in this fight, it won't be me who has to deal with the consequences, but I've been amazed (and dismayed) at the reactions of people who would normally be screaming blue murder about the wishes of women being ridden roughshod over.

"have any SNP MSPs/MPs been in touch with you over this issue?"

I've spoken privately with one or two. There's some real concern inside the party - and the Parliament - but everyone is too scared of the backlash they'd get for speaking out about it, which is worrying. Hopefully showing them that the public is behind them in large numbers might stiffen them up a bit.

QueenLaBeefah · 05/01/2018 13:12

Oops - posted send to soon. Because I did think about contacting my MSP or MP over this but thought it was almost pointless as they never step out of line.

QueenLaBeefah · 05/01/2018 13:11

Rev stu - have any SNP MSPs/MPs been in touch with you over this issue?

BarrackerBarmer · 05/01/2018 13:07

RevStu
Your article was textbook radfem - did you have conversations with radfems that informed you of this level of detail or was your research proactive? It's astonishingly rare for a bloke to just 'get it' without having been primed by a well informed feminist or two. Most have no horse in the race and so aren't motivated to look into the subject at all. As I noted up thread, many responses of 'live and let live' in the comments below, which seems an unusual rejoinder to 'here, have a gander at some death threats issued to feminists by transactivists'.

Your piece was excellent. Glad you have such a reach with your audience.

RevStu · 05/01/2018 12:46

"So why exactly do you call yourself a reverend then?"

I literally just answered that one. Pay attention.

RevStu · 05/01/2018 12:46

"RevStu, thanks for the article. Have you had much of a backlash? Any threats of dying in a fire etc.? (From the TAs)"

Cheers. Remarkably little backlash, in fact. When I get caught up in a controversy it tends to cost me anywhere between 20 and 300 Twitter followers, and this was way down at the low end, about 30 all in.

I do already block most of the insufferable wankers on Scottish Twitter, though, so maybe most of it just didn't reach me.

BishBoshBashBop · 05/01/2018 12:44

So why exactly do you call yourself a reverend then?

RevStu · 05/01/2018 12:43

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MyAuntyBadger · 05/01/2018 12:41

RevStu, thanks for the article. Have you had much of a backlash? Any threats of dying in a fire etc.? (From the TAs)

RevStu · 05/01/2018 12:37

"His being Bristol was only relevant to his pontificating to those of us who live in Scotland that we should vote for separatism."

I've never lived in Bristol in my life. Keep the lies coming, champ.

Seeingadistance · 05/01/2018 12:36

I'm with Lass on Wings over Scotland. The guy is a nasty piece of work and his supporters are just as unpleasant.

RevStu · 05/01/2018 12:35

"Because he isn't one"

Yes I am.

"and it is attempting to assume a false credibility."

No I'm not.

"This is the man who thinks the Hillsborough fans brought it on themselves"

No I don't.

"amongst his other questionable beliefs."

Oh aye? What might those be?

(That's a rhetorical question, as your answer will just be more tired old lies and smears.)

anonymice · 05/01/2018 11:26

Not all those who share my views about the GRA are people I like or who I agree with on almost any other issue. Does that make their views on the GRA invalid? I can see the hypocrisy of being an active contributor to the Nats debate whilst residing in Bath. I don't think that invalidates the very clear points he makes about the general distaste for the GRA though. I don't like the Daily Fail. In fact I really dislike them and am sure they like neither women nor transgender people. But they highlight non compatible narratives from transgender women as opposed to women.....

MorrisZapp · 05/01/2018 10:15

Argh, well this is awkward. Totally agree with him on this issue, totally loathe him on almost everything else.

The indy social media lot love the guy though, and they will listen to him.

BarrackerBarmer · 05/01/2018 10:11

My brief research on him turned up that he strives to evidence everything he says, and pulls apart false claims in the media.
His methodology seems sound.
I don't need to share political beliefs with him.
He has shot himself in the foot with some of his opinions and the manner in which he has expressed them.

But he seems credible to me and his motives seem to be a hatred of lies and propoganda and a desire to expose issues that are suppressed.
Good enough for me.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 05/01/2018 08:54

Do you secretly fancy him?

Are you 5?

diddlemethis · 05/01/2018 08:21

THIS IS NOT AN INDY ISSUE.

I don't think there is anyone on MN who isn't aware that Lasswith hates the SNP and the notion of Independence with a passion. We got it. You are entitled to your opinion, that's grand, but please can we talk about the GRA?

diddlemethis · 05/01/2018 08:17

Lass, for someone who says:

"I have no intention of paying any attention to anything he has to say."

You don't half give him a lot of your head space! Do you secretly fancy him?

HirplesWithHaggis · 05/01/2018 01:30

I said earlier there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for the SNP to listen to him, since he isn't a member and doesn't/ can't vote for them.

He has a wide audience though. His recently released annual stats state that in 2017 his "average monthly unique visitors" numbered 303,719. That's a fair chunk of people, politically active people, most of whom live in Scotland and vote in Scotand, many for the SNP.

So it's his influence over them that's important. Not him.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 05/01/2018 00:27

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HirplesWithHaggis · 05/01/2018 00:12

He commissioned a poll, with a reputable polling company. He reported on the results of that poll.

That's not a "wagon". It's not propaganda. Read it, don't read it, believe it or not. Carry on insulting him, I doubt he's reading, or would care much if he did.

But he does have a wide readership, and his readers are at least inclined to believe him. Those readers have friends, families, workmates. They're voters, and they're already politically motivated. They can apply pressure to the SNP Scottish Government via their MSPs to have a rethink, or even just a think, since they don't seem to have done much of that.

They can help stop this.

What possible dodgy motive could a male-identifying man in Bristol have, for wanting to influence the GRA in Scotland? That grateful Scottish radfems will throw themselves at him in gratitude?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 04/01/2018 23:33

He's on the same side as feminists. Do you really suggest that feminists should stop complaining about the GRA, stop writing to MPs, MSPs, stop campaigning for single-sex spaces... because Stu fucking Campbell lives in Bath?

Please point me to any one who has said that? stop with the hyperbole

People are scepticle of his motives.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 04/01/2018 23:32

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HirplesWithHaggis · 04/01/2018 23:26

And neither is Stu. If you read it, you'll see that.

No-one is asking anyone to "hitch to his wagon". "His wagon" in this particular case is the erosion of womens' rights and single-sex spaces in the face of rampant transactivism.

He's on the same side as feminists. Do you really suggest that feminists should stop complaining about the GRA, stop writing to MPs, MSPs, stop campaigning for single-sex spaces... because Stu fucking Campbell lives in Bath?

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