Horray for Wings Over Scotland

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 2018-01-03T13:45:39+00:00

Brilliant brilliant article [[https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-law-that-nobody-wants/]] Please - anyone on twitter, can you retweet this and copy in Nicola Sturgeon *@NicolaSturgeon* We need to get the Nationalists AND the Unionist talking about this.

Ereshkigal · 06/01/2018 13:19

There are exemptions. We can put pressure on organisations to use them.

Stickystickstick · 06/01/2018 11:01

irkthepurist Yes but much of the argument against GRA changes is that it will make it easier for men who self identify as women to access safe spaces but as the law stands in Scotland at least, it is already the case that they can without a GRC.

Ereshkigal · 05/01/2018 23:26

This is a really good article explaining it (posted on another thread). Practical actions to take at the bottom and a link to a factsheet you can give to MPs etc.

fairplayforwomen.com/equality-act-2010_womens-rights

IrkThePurist · 05/01/2018 23:22

Stickystickstick Thats a breach of the Equality Act.

My guess is that the trans movement is the easiest way for the Right to get rid of it, and the Left are clueless enough to cheer them on.

Stickystickstick · 05/01/2018 22:47

I hadn’t realised it was already the case in Scotland that trans identifying people can already access women’s safe spaces.

AntiqueOlive · 05/01/2018 21:39

In an article on readership stats published on 1st January, he gives some figures for log ins from Scottish Government computers.

So there are Holyrood lurkers are on Wings. It's good exposure and Wings is tenacious.

BetsyM00 · 05/01/2018 21:23

I've spoken privately with one or two. There's some real concern inside the party - and the Parliament - but everyone is too scared of the backlash they'd get for speaking out about it, which is worrying. Hopefully showing them that the public is behind them in large numbers might stiffen them up a bit.

Thanks for that info. It's a bloomin' ridiculous situation but it helps to know there is at least some parliamentary concern when I'm trying to pin down a couple of SNP MSPs for a conversation about this.

BishBoshBashBop · 05/01/2018 19:58

Regarding the 'rev' - well even a slow clock is right once a day.

Tinycitrus · 05/01/2018 19:43

It’s true. I can’t speak out on this subject on twitter because it would affect my job.

It’s amazing how people like Toby Young can tweet offensive belittling shit about women and be promoted into high profile public sector roles...but the majority of professionals - and MSPs it seems - are too terrified of the backlash to be publicly critical of this extreme transgender activism.

Bejazzled · 05/01/2018 18:12

HirplesWithHaggis · 05/01/2018 18:07

Pretty much the same in WM, isn't it, Datun? They've just pushed their review back, but I haven't heard any MPs (of any party) speak out on the subject.

Bejazzled, I think you mean "stopped" clock...

Bejazzled · 05/01/2018 17:58

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I am also very concerned about these issues. Regarding the 'rev' - well even a slow clock is right once a day.

Datun · 05/01/2018 17:48

There's some real concern inside the party - and the Parliament - but everyone is too scared of the backlash they'd get for speaking out about it,

Jesus wept.

AntiqueOlive · 05/01/2018 17:22

Fanperson? Is that better?

It was a bit of fun.

BishBoshBashBop · 05/01/2018 17:15

Yes, I'm a fangirl.

Righto

AntiqueOlive · 05/01/2018 17:05

Yes, I'm a fangirl. It's why I delurked after following the Feminist board since Spartacus to finally post. Thought Wings wasn't getting a fair reference on the thread.

AntiqueOlive · 05/01/2018 17:01

Wow, the Revs here! :-)

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 05/01/2018 15:41

A man's a man for a' that

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RevStu · 05/01/2018 15:37

"The biggest issue here is that of free speech and not being able to call a man a man etc"

True enough.

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 05/01/2018 15:36

Closing Date is 1 March 2018

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 05/01/2018 15:36

Excellent RevStu
Thanks for speaking out about this. Have you completed the Scottish Govt Consultation on this?

www.gov.scot/Publications/2017/11/5459/347286

Could you tweet it to your followers? It would really help. Thanks

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sweetpotatosteak · 05/01/2018 14:28

Thanks so much RevStu!! You have given me hope!

I would disagree when you and others say you (and men in general) don't have a horse in the race though. The biggest issue here is that of free speech and not being able to call a man a man etc. The consequences for that are truly awful and that's the angle Jordan (sp?) Petersen (sp?)'s been coming at it from. If you are called a bigot for saying your wife/friend etc gave birth to a baby boy (because it will become bigotry to define anyone by their bodies) then everyone is affected. And surely we will have to rewrite all the biology textbooks etc at great expense? And all the NHS training materials and guidelines and laws and legislation.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 05/01/2018 13:52

I've spoken privately with one or two. There's some real concern inside the party - and the Parliament - but everyone is too scared of the backlash they'd get for speaking out about it, which is worrying. Hopefully showing them that the public is behind them in large numbers might stiffen them up a bit

I certainly hope so

BarrackerBarmer · 05/01/2018 13:34

Yup. Thanks for doing this. And do pass my thanks to the women who talked to you.
Hope this keeps circulating.

Ereshkigal · 05/01/2018 13:29

I've spoken privately with one or two. There's some real concern inside the party - and the Parliament - but everyone is too scared of the backlash they'd get for speaking out about it, which is worrying. Hopefully showing them that the public is behind them in large numbers might stiffen them up a bit.

Thank you for using your platform to do this.