I stand corrected Lilly M can get pregnant

Ah, I did not read that thread. Women’s liberation is much more specific, and doesn’t get messed up with all the waves of feminism. It is from the 1970s/80s, I think, if one wants to date it, but seemed to get lost with the choicey-choicey, gender is a performance 1990s feminism.

I would happily call myself Women’s Liberation, as long as Liberation did not get confused with Libertarianism. Feminism is a broad Church, I think; there is not one feminism but many.

Is it the Reclaim Feminism thread? It has got side-tracked when I looked at it, I will go back and read again.

I would totally donate my uterus to a male!

It's in a medical waste skip round the back of the Spire hospital, and it was full of adenomyosis.

What, you don't still want it? Why on earth not

Yes, regarding equality- it is like by wanting equality, women are supposed to have also wanted sexual difference erased.

Another thread (I think - I lose track!) was suggesting we should ditch feminism as a term and go back to women's lib as that actually described what feminists want much better.

Yes, regarding equality- it is like by wanting equality, women are supposed to have also wanted sexual difference erased.

Whereas feminists have ALWAYS recognised sexual difference - not only by advocating for access to contraceptives and abortion, but also family allowances and decent maternity provision. What feminists have previously criticised is the hierarchical gender roles built on the back of sexual difference.

The moment my womb could be transplanted into a fucking deluded, self centred bloke is the moment I remove myself from the donor register. Full. Stop.

jokes about transgender people (knitting vs woodwork above)

I posted the "joke" but it's not exactly a joke when we can hear someone such as James O'Brien on LBC saying that if someone likes pink and dolls they need to be a girl, or if they like cars and tree climbing they need to be a boy.
(Not a direct quote but definitely the general gist of what was said).

I think there is a real problem with understanding female anatomy. If you can bear it ask as many men as you can wear women pee from and where babies come from. Answers are astounding. This kind of tweet is born of this I am sure. I would think that anyone wanting to change into a female would know the anatomy in and out.
Over simplification but some more education on sex and gender roles would go a long way.

"As it’s NYE maybe a time for reflection. Rather than criticising (lily included) then a time for how individuals support other members of society. Potentially 2017 is the place for jokes about transgender people (knitting vs woodwork above) to be left in 2017. "

"PS OP Lily can not get pregnant, you were correct in the first place so why not again ask for this offensive thread against transgender people and a teenager to again be deleted."

Well it's still 2017 in our part of the world, so I think we can still say 'fuck off with that'.

So sorry not to have a new year's resolution to support state-enforced Emperor's New Clothes for teenage male 'lesbians'

And it's held up as an "equality" issue.

So, because eg lesbian women or transmen can (often / sometimes) have babies without too much trouble, so must gay men / transwomen otherwise it's discrimination and furthermore snoffair.

The fact that semen is a substance that is startlingly easy to come by (ha!) with some men even generous enough to share it with women and girls on places like their coat while on a bus, is neither here nor there. Why should women have something and men can't? Women said they wanted equality - so they need to put their money where their mouths are and hand over their reproductive organs. Or something.

The other option thrown around is that obviously women will have babies for them. Surrogacy is a huge feminist issue and probably not one to sidetrack the thread with. But the casual use of women's bodies / body parts, an assumption that they can have this, have that..

Like, where are all these wombs to come from? Women will be required to hand them over / harvest them from poor women in India / what is the idea here?

Put you in mind of Stan/ Loretta's announcement in the Life of Brian🤔

I can travel through the universe, using wormholes in the time and space continuum, and return to Earth in time to watch the 2017 Boxing Day Test Match. Not right now, as is true with other humans but in the future maybe..umm...Don't single me oooouuuttt!

I suspect some of it is just a typical teenager trying to be clever. I cringe a bit looking back at how I was at that age (arguing mostly about religion and atheism in my case). It was all about winning the argument, showing off, being able to 'prove' anything I chose with clever logic. All completely detached from any useful purpose in the real world.

But the fictional womb transplants for men... it's like saying that someday, who knows, we might have a way to give people prosthetic wings, therefore I am a bird and can fly. OK, so I can't fly right now, but that's no different from being a bird with a temporary wing injury and anyway some birds are born flightless so WHO ARE YOU TO SAY I'M NOT A BIRD just because I can't fly?

With an added dose of being able to claim victimhood and transphobia if anyone points out the flaws in his argument, or course. We didn't have that when I was 19, though I suspect I wouldn't have hesitated to use it to my advantage if it had been a thing...

Lily is a petulant teenager who dislikes the grown ups having opinions. My 15 year old is just the same - he'd argue black was white given half the chance.

I am 99% sure that "Lily" is a troll.

People thought this about Danielle Muscato, but it appears Danielle is entirely genuine

What gets me the most is all these transwomen think that being a woman is all about being pink, fluffy, having long hair and wearing dresses.

Some days I have my long hair in a bun and wear trousers, am I no longer as much of a woman??

I think for me, a better analogy for 'I'm not pregnant right now' would be:

I don't have an erection right now. If I did want an erection, it would be a simple matter of undergoing surgery to install a penis and the associated hydraulic machinery required for it to function. It would then function perfectly and with no additional medical assistance required. So to say I don't have an erection RIGHT NOW is, technically, accurate if you accept all of the above as gospel.

Gender/sex whatever you get what I mean. I’ve read these Definitions back and forth so many times on MN its all muddled up in my head.

Gender is a social construct. It bears no relation to the SEX of a person.

I disagree.

Can you explain what you think the two definitions are then?

I am biological female, which makes my sex FEMALE.

I like crochet and chainsawing, cooking and sheds. I was an engineer for a majority of my working life. I wear trousers most days, I wear a skirt about 5 times a year. What do you think my gender is? Because i sure as hell don't know...if gender is liked to clothing and things we 'do'.

Gender/sex whatever you get what I mean. I’ve read these Definitions back and forth so many times on MN its all muddled up in my head.

Gender is a social construct. It bears no relation to the SEX of a person.

I disagree.

UpaBitLate I think you are right.

I also think comparing being on a non-fertile day with lacking the entire reproductive system is shockingly naive - it’s not a matter of age, my pre-teen would understand that he is of the human group (boys/men) which do not carry and birth babies. I don’t believe it is poor education either, I am sure all schools cover reproductive biology (at least, I hope so).

But the argument that not all women can have children is indeed used to support the argument that transwomen are women, despite the wrong biology. Like childbirth is the only important part of being a woman. If I am infertile, I am still biologically a woman, my biology is out of sync for whatever reason. It doesn’t mean I am not a woman.

Neither gender can produce a human being on its own

Neither SEX. Gender is a social construct. It bears no relation to the SEX of a person.

@Hopping.

I just noticed your text in brackets, BUT by the same token men can do something women can’t (I.e produce sperm), so not really a strong argument for why men may feel threatened by women.

I can feel their campaign for multi-sex midwifery services developing...

"Loretta's Box" is open for crowd funding.

Applauds upabitlate

Liam is a revolting little squit who thrives on attention and is therefore best ignored.

He is either a vulnerable teenager who’s not accountable for what he says, or he’s a mature cult fit to hold political office and represent the women in his consistency. He can’t be both.

By LM's logic, any man can get pregnant because any man can say they could potentially have a womb transplant at some mystical point in the future. So we have a women's officer who thinks both men and women can get pregnant!