Woman requests a female nurse. She gets a transwoman instead.

Well it definitely happened because the trust have apologised. I agree with greenshoots that the “admin error “ excuse is a lie - they didn’t send a chaperone for an intimate procedure so they considered him female. God knows how many women have been subjected to him

Utterly appalling.

Legal battles ahead. Even if the law changes, I suspect a judge could still find the NHS negligent for causing psychological distress to a patient in a case like this.

The point here, is the gamble that women won't complain about a situation like this though. Women are conditioned not to complain. Changing the law will condition them not to complain in situations like this, even if there is a legal reason why they still could win, despite the law.

Would I trust a nurse or doctor or told me they were not male but were trans when I specifically requested a female nurse? No I would not. Not because they were trans but because of a breach of trust as far as I was concerned. I would consider my request to be for a particular concern: be it trauma or religion or something else and to ignore this request would be distressing.

This would damage my trust with the NHS as a whole.

This will endanger the lives of women. Its that simple. But trans lives and feelings are more important.

It was 13 years ago well nearly 14 now Datun

I had a problem free labour and discharged myself the next day as that midwife was back on shift and basically glared at me everytime she saw me.

I complained and it took nearly a year to get an apology. They made me feel like we were the ones being investigated. She retired during that year so other than a half arsed sorry from the hospital there was no real action.

Poor woman. I don't mind having a male midwife or a male nurse but the crucial point is that I consent to that. I don't want an AGP transwoman anywhere near me.

Ffs CosmicCanary. That is truly awful. What is wrong with people.

Cosmic, I am really sorry that people are being dismissive of your feelings and trauma.

Sadly it happens alot.

The midwife I had when i was pregnant after the rape said I was being silly to request only female HCP.
She went in to great detail of the horrible medical things that could go wrong in my labour and my refusal of males could lead to my babies death.

My DH polietly asked her to leave and requested another midwife.
He then heard her bitching about me at the nurses station. She said I was not the only women to be raped and I needed to get over it as having sex and getting pregnant seemed to be ok for me.

Focusing on rape and vulnerability does not result in such positive feelings.

Why do you think that is MsBeaujangles?

Is it fear? Are they worried about jumping to conclusions could tarnish someone unjustifiably?

Cosmic, I am really sorry that people are being dismissive of your feelings and trauma.

I haven’t read the other thread, but from what other people are saying the responses remind me of what I frequently see in my work. Children are referred to psychology services because teachers are concerned about their attention or impulse control (or something of that ilk) and when I go in and talk to them, warning bells are shrieking sexual abuse or severe neglect, but what the teachers are taking from the situation is ‘can’t focus’. They are often really shocked that they didn’t spot this when I point out all the clues- which they noticed enough to raise with me. Basically, they joined the dots to create a picture that was less disturbing.

People do this all the time, they defend against intolerable thoughts by focusing on less disturbing ones (serious case reviews such as that of Victoria Climbie evidence this time and time again).

I am not in any way excusing people’s behaviour but that is how I make sense of it. People can feel ‘good’ and ‘kind’ by offering support to people struggling with gender identity. Focusing on rape and vulnerability does not result in such positive feelings.

I think its all of that Datun

Its a belief that females should be grateful for anything and everything no matter what it is.
Females are not seen as human beings by so many.

CosmicCanary

Bloody awful. I seriously cannot understand how people type those words. Ignorance? Lack of imagination? Or plain old misogyny. Women simply don't matter.

I tend to think that the people who opinine in that way have a very low self-esteem themselves.

On the other thread my trauma of rape is now whinning and I should shut up.

It is just to depressing at times.

The problem is not that the person wasn't trained.

The problem is that the patient requested a female HCP and was given a TIM (and male-presenting) HCP. And when the patient said that she had specifically requested a female, the TIM HCP was rude about it, made her feel like a bigot and asserted that they, as a TIM, were female.

I don't think anyone is suggesting the trans nurse was not qualified/trained to do the procedure, or that male/trans nurses should never do smear tests? Just that they were not an appropriate choice for a patient who had specifically requested a female nurse.

Ah balls - is that a multiple post I see before me?

Ok - I smell bullshit - and I am TERFY mc TERF!

I am an ex practice nurse - in my day we had to do a special course to do smears.
A - either the TIM had done the course and the surgery had tried to be 'progressive ' and got caught out

Or

B - it didn't happen

I can't see any nurse attempting a procedure they hadn't been trained in - so the 'mistake' would not get that far.

But I did leave nursing 15 years ago and maybe things have changed

Ok - I smell bullshit - and I am TERFY mc TERF!

I am an ex practice nurse - in my day we had to do a special course to do smears.
A - either the TIM had done the course and the surgery had tried to be 'progressive ' and got caught out

Or

B - it didn't happen

I can't see any nurse attempting a procedure they hadn't been trained in - so the 'mistake' would not get that far.

But I did leave nursing 15 years ago and maybe things have changed

Ok - I smell bullshit - and I am TERFY mc TERF!

I am an ex practice nurse - in my day we had to do a special course to do smears.
A - either the TIM had done the course and the surgery had tried to be 'progressive ' and got caught out

Or

B - it didn't happen

I can't see any nurse attempting a procedure they hadn't been trained in - so the 'mistake' would not get that far.

But I did leave nursing 15 years ago and maybe things have changed

Ok - I smell bullshit - and I am TERFY mc TERF!

I am an ex practice nurse - in my day we had to do a special course to do smears.
A - either the TIM had done the course and the surgery had tried to be 'progressive ' and got caught out

Or

B - it didn't happen

I can't see any nurse attempting a procedure they hadn't been trained in - so the 'mistake' would not get that far.

But I did leave nursing 15 years ago and maybe things have changed

Can we request cis women?

why should anyone be forced to join in this perverted and convoluted linguistic repression?

There is no such thing as "cis" women.

just women and people who are not women.

That person did NOT make a mistake, the patient TOLD them they wanted a female, and their response was "I'm not male" - no mistake or misunderstanding, quite deliberate and calculated bullying and intimidation.

However much the trust claims it was a "mistake"

sickening

When the patient pointed out the mistake, the nurse replied: “My gender is not male. I’m a transsexual."

I've had a female nurse at the practice do mine twice now, and she still confirms at every point that I'm OK, that she's still OK to proceed, that I'm comfortable (well, as can be expected) - a professional does that.

Trust policy is to consider seriously all requests for clinicians of a particular gender.”

Well, that's also put another argument that was being used into the circle file - 'seriously consider' that's not having the 'right' to a same sex practitioner at all is it, that's them getting to choose if your request is worthy.

When the patient pointed out the mistake, the nurse replied: “My gender is not male. I’m a transsexual.”

This is my biggest problem with the whole thing. Surely a decent HCP who was focused on the patient and their care and their feelings would have just immediately apologised and fetched a female HCP. I have no problems at all with TIMs working in healthcare as long as they put their patients first, and as long as they work as males. TIMS and TIFs have every right not to be discriminated against in terms of employment etc, except where there are legitimate sex based exceptions.

It's true that women can refuse the examination, but how horrible to put them in the situation of having to choose between being a 'bigot' and submitting to something they feel deeply uncomfortable with. Especially as many will already be feeling exposed and vulnerable in the situation of having an intimate exam at all, as well as being distressed (maybe reminded of past abusers) by the attempted coercion and gaslighting.

Not to mention those who might not be able to articulate their objection easily because of lack of English skills, or learning difficulties etc. It's just horrible and unnecessary. There are plenty of women who would be fine with a male nurse, trans or otherwise, so why target the few who have specifically requested a female (and probably have good reason for doing so)?

I'm not just infuriated by this article, but by people's reaction. One poster decided that even if you had been raped, refusing a male HCP would be discriminatory.

How the fuck have we got to this point? Where people's brains are so scrambled they literally can't think properly.

So a woman is supposed to sit there reliving her rape and PTSD symptoms firing off all over the place, to validate someone's identity?