""All female Celebrity Big Brother"

There was a section in last night’s show where Courtney was talking to 3 of the men about gender identity. Although he stated that India ‘had always been a women’, he also used phrases like ‘in the mind’.
The whole premise of the conversation was based on India being male but identifying differently. Courtney managed to traverse some typical constructs put forward by TRAs but in a manner that was far less aggressive.

I completely agree. But I think there must be the added vertigo of looking down on the extreme and irreversible surgery India had and fearing that others don't take that 'commitment' more seriously... surely it might make India wonder "maybe I'm just a bloke in drag - and I cut off my dick... "

Yes, I think you're right.

I think India’s issue with Courtney and Andrew dragging up is that India feels foolish - that when folk find it funny, ridiculous, offensive - they’re looking at India the same way and think of India as just another bloke in drag. Folk find men in women’s clothing, makeup, wig, mincing around - ridiculous.

I thought Paris came over well, but when that vicar said what she did, her face looked like thunder. Really displeased.

I thought Paris Lees came over reasonably well, didn't see any aggression behind the passion. SHe made a valid point about IW's "issues" around the Drag Queen thing perhaps being linked to the fact that she is still early in her transition.

However ... having seen pictures on Twitter today of IW happily posing with Drag Queen''s at a Pride event, I do wonder what their problem is. I suspect it's nothing to do with being Trans and everything to do with being an attention seeker and a tricky, unpleasant character generally.

That’s really interesting bambambini. Just goes to show how differently people interpret things.

I’d never actually seen or heard of Paris before. But I immediately felt aggression disguised as passion the minute Paris started talking which put me right off.

Speaking in a soft voice doesn’t cancel out the aggressive tones IMO.

I thought Lees came over really well actually. Too well tbh, Paris was obviously being very charming and incredibly restrained (for Paris) to offset India’s damage - must have killed them. Not their usual style at all.

Paris Lees came across terribly. Vain, self congratulatory, arrogant, ego-centric...

What a shame the two trans women featured on CBB so far have all the charm of a bull in a china shop.

Shane/Courtney, on the other hand, is a wonderful example of an intelligent individual who is able to offer an alternative to society’s mainstream mentality with true grace and articulation. An absolute masterclass in how to win people over.

Paris Lees is going to be on Bit on the Side tonight... 🙄

All exposure is good exposure. She will make an arse of it.

Paris Lees is going to be on Bit on the Side tonight... 🙄

I'm glad she did. Thanks, Queen, fair enough.

No - I think she gave Amanda both barrels because she is not as strong as Ann and Rachel. India is a bully and they like their victims weak but I think India was surprised that Amanda could hold her own.

I suspect not but am curious enough to ask: Am I the only lesbian who doesn't believe it pure coincidence that, of all the people who've "misgendered" Willoughby, he chose to direct his biggest grudge, and his rant about 'penetrating' toward the only lesbian there ?

He must be dying to switch off the mics and just scream"TERF!!1!!" in her face.

I actually watched this last night. I like the drag queen.

The end of the Bb intro music has a multicoloured pair of X chromosomes.

The MN Telly Addict CBB threads (of which there are now two) are a wonderful read on this topic - recommend them!

www.independent.co.uk/voices/celebrity-big-brother-all-female-house-feminism-sexism-sexual-assault-harassment-metoo-a8143721.html

Anyway, I was intrigued: for the first time ever, the Big Brother house was going to start as an entirely Y-chromosome-free zone

I wonder if that was intentional. The mention of Chromosomes is usually avoided like the plague.

The #CBBIndia tag has been interesting. Like I said on Twitter, it's funny how the transactivists haven't been piling on to "TERF!" threaten or abuse the mainstream viewers who are defending sexual orientation.

Ann Widcome holds strong opinions on things that she doesn't necessarily know much about - I caught a conversation with Rachel in the highlights where Ann told Rachel that she didn't understand why women had children only to have them looked after by someone else, after Rachel spoke about how much childcare cost so she could keep her job.

I was yelling at youtube, for Rachel to say something about how it's funny how it's totally fine for men to do it.

Ooh that's a good idea re app, I will watch it on my commute.

maleka has hit the nail on the head. The comments on the bb fb page are interesting reading. (Those that haven't been deleted)

Oh certainly did not think she was a nice old lady. I remember her for her Clause 28 support in particular.

But the chains is quite something

I think it probably worth reminding everyone about Ann Widcome:

^www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/pregnant-prisoner-tells-of-her-ordeal-in-chains-1262477.html%3famp^

On a program celebriting the emancipation of women? Supposedly.

The best arguments, at the right time, from the right people. Perfect.