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QuentinSummers · 27/12/2017 22:24

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None of them are actual female lesbians.
It's fine though because Lily Madigan is a lesbian. So not a lesbophobic list at all.
I wasn't going to make a thread about this until I saw Lily's response on Twitter.
Lily, as the awesome Magdalen Berns says, lesbians dont have penises. Ffs.

mobile.twitter.com/madigan_lily/status/945773102520205312

www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/12/25/the-heroes-who-made-2017-so-much-better/amp/

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MrsTerryPratchett · 31/12/2017 00:38

And even if you believe that lesbians with and without penises are the same Hmm it seems interesting that no lesbians without penises were on the list. They should be more numerous in their lack of penis and therefore more numerous on the list all things being equal.

It's almost like the Pink News thinks lesbians with penises are 'better' for some reason... I wonder what that reason is. Considering that there were no transmen, also lacking in the penis department.

Ereshkigal · 30/12/2017 22:26

It is.

Thehairthebod · 30/12/2017 22:05

That petition site caved as well didn't they and changed the wording to include transwomen as 'lesbians'.

However, they, in addition to Pink News seemed to get roundly roasted on that twitter thread. It is heartening to see that more and more people appear to be speaking out on this.

Ereshkigal · 30/12/2017 21:43

Up to a point on twitter they tried to defend having no lesbians in the list as wait for it, they had trans "lesbians". Perhaps someone higher up than the social media monkey got leant on and had a word?

Thehairthebod · 30/12/2017 21:28

I only saw this today and was wondering what the OP was talking about until I saw the end!

I am totally gobsmacked that they didn't put any lesbian females in there. Not even a token one. They must have realised when they were reading through it that were zero female lesbians in there. How fucking dare they!

Am glad they had pushback on in though and changed it.

Agree about the appropriation of intersex as a way of propping up the 'sex isn't binary' arguement. It's sick. Interesting that Hanne Gaby Odiele said she wanted intersex people to 'speak out against the unnecessary and harmful surgeries many of us were subjected to as children'.

vaginafetishist · 30/12/2017 21:21

Pathetic....truly pathetic. The sooner the L gets out of this mess, the better.

SimonBridges · 30/12/2017 20:26

They shouldn’t need to be told.

QuentinSummers · 30/12/2017 20:22

I think it's a win, because it shows there was an outcry. Good stuff Grin

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Ereshkigal · 30/12/2017 20:21

"A wider range of figures"?

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/12/2017 20:15

Well I never!!! They threw a couple of token lesbians in there. I'm not entirely sure if it is patronizing and sad that they changed it or a win. I'm inclined to think it won't change what they do in future and is therefore just a token.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/12/25/the-heroes-who-made-2017-so-much-better/

UPDATE: This article has been updated following feedback from PinkNews readers to include a wider range of figures

MaidOfStars · 29/12/2017 12:01

Thanks Menthol, I shall refer to Emojipedia for all my future I’m Too Old For This Shit emoji-based enquiries.

Parsleyisntfood · 29/12/2017 11:55

This is such a horrid back step. I have no desire to see the end of trans people. Dress how you want, call yoursel what you want. I support that.
Wearing a frock doesn’t eliminate women struggle. I work in a very male dominated environment and I’ve never felt unsafe. I was discussing it with a friend who was interested and I could thank the women that have gone before me enough. There’s crap to deal with and it isn’t equal but it’s safe and I feel safe. This is bloody huge. Denying the existence of women will undo all this.
That’s what I see. Women’s existence being denied. We have masses of evidence of what happens when women don’t count.
I don’t know any trans people in real life (to the best of my knowledge). I’d love to have this discussion with someone who isn’t going for retweets and likes.

SimonBridges · 29/12/2017 11:27

I’ve gone away and had a think about this and I am so very angry about this.

Where are the transmen? All it seems to take is for a man to put on a dress, look fabulous and they get on the list.
I bet there are lots of transmen out there doing stuff but they aren’t crowing about it.

MentholBreeze · 29/12/2017 10:07

Maid - according to the emojipedia (what a world we live in) LM's probably going for 'Sassy'

emojipedia.org/information-desk-person/

An information desk person, iconically represented in the Apple emoji artwork as a girl holding out her hand as if she were a waitress carrying an invisible tray of drinks.

Can be used for a variety of interpretations, such as sassiness or sarcasm.

Person Tipping Hand was approved as part of Unicode 6.0 in 2010 under the name “Information Desk Person” and added to Emoji 1.0 in 2015.

Also known as
💁 Bellhop
💁 Concierge
💁 Hair Flick
💁 Sassy Girl

SimonBridges · 29/12/2017 09:59

What about Susan Calman for a start? She’s there front and centre on one of the BBCs most popular programs with her wife in the front row cheering her on.
I am so fucking angry about this.

I do notice that all the transwomen have lovely glamorous pictures. I’m guessing that the lesbians who are getting shit done don’t have the time for standing around on red carpets.

ArcheryAnnie · 28/12/2017 23:34

@BattleCunt why do you hate lesbians so much, that you are happy for them to be erased and excluded?

MaidOfStars · 28/12/2017 17:32

Completely off topic but LM uses one emoji a lot - a girl holding an invisible pizza next to her ear. What does it mean? Is it like ‘What can I say?’

GuardianLions · 28/12/2017 17:13

Karen Ingala-Smith started the hashtag #CelebrateLesbians if you fancy adding your lesbian heros of 2017 to the list Smile

GuardianLions · 28/12/2017 14:26

Thanks Irk just watched that video - which he is talking about 2015 -some time after it all kicked off - and just after all the straight, white TIMs managed to promote the idea that they are more oppressed than WoCs according to a bastardised pomo version of intersectional theory. But he makes a fair point about male supremacist extremists independently having the same idea - a bit like Stephen Johnson's 'adjacent possible'.

IrkThePurist · 28/12/2017 13:42

MGTOWs discuss how to use feminism against itself;

GuardianLions · 28/12/2017 13:39

I urge gender-critical feminists to remember that most defeated generals underestimated their enemy.

I don't imagine much deliberate planning takes place by anti-feminists. It's probably not even needed because they already have the power.

I remember when MRAs identified the TRAs as a way to split feminism, just prior to identifying Black Feminism. It wasn't so strategic in the sense of 'back of the envelope' plotting - just opportunistic. And you are right about the existing power structures meaning they didn't have to work so hard. Cultural misogyny is a readily available and inexhaustible fuel they can exploit at any time.

But I still think the shepherding of young activists, the media and politicians has been pretty spectacular.

GuardianLions · 28/12/2017 13:18

Thanks Quentin! Gonna share that on social media! Xmas Smile

TunaSushi · 28/12/2017 13:10

Yes, I want to hear about women like that.

When you compare them to the L'Oreal model who makes no sense in interviews!

QuentinSummers · 28/12/2017 13:06

Yes Karen Ingala-smith!

I love her. Awesome woman
kareningalasmith.com/2017/12/28/the-lesbians-who-made-2017-so-much-better/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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MorbidMuch · 28/12/2017 13:03

I wonder if part of the reason the efforts of the TAs has increased in such a frenzied fashion is a result of the women's march following Trump's election. Men saw that women are a sizeable force and will turn out in great numbers of strength, so they need to go to more extreme lengths to silence them.

For me, the ranting about 'transphobic' pink pussy hats was the start of the current madness.

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