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International Men's Day?

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DreamGhost · 24/12/2017 22:07

Firstly I see this was back in November so I apologise if there has been a post already, did have a quick look and couldn't see anything!

This picture appeared on my Facebook timeline. Is it an actual thing? I feel like there's so much wrong with these statistics, like they're only telling half the story.

International Men's Day?
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BattleCunt · 25/12/2017 04:18

What a lot of those statistics aren't saying, is that the perpetrators of those crimes are mostly men.

When men are assaulted, it's usually by other men. When men get raped, it's usually by other men. Killed? Usually by other men, etc etc you get the picture. So yes men are also victims, but women aren't the major problem. It's still men.

PleaseDontGoadTheToad · 25/12/2017 03:24

Well obviously- they are ignoring the fact that the perpetrators of violence against men are likely to be men.

Exactly what I was thinking too.

I actually think the reason why men are more likely to be victims of violent crime is because IME men tend to be less concerned with taking precautions and are more likely to put themselves in risky situations than women are. I honestly don't mean this to sound victim blamey (if anyone attacks you it is 100% the attackers fault) but women have it instilled into them from an early age that we need to keep ourselves safe, not to get too drunk, don't walk alone after dark, etc. Men don't have the same messages drilled into them from an early age and are also far less likely to be blamed or held partially responsible if they do get assaulted.

I imagine the reason why men get given longer prison sentences is because men are more likely to be convicted with murder, sexual assaults and violent crimes. Crimes against the person do (rightly) tend to come with a harsher sentence than property crime.

Men are more likely to commit suicide but suicide attempts tend to be about equal. It's just that men are more likely to be successful due to methods used.

There are more homeless men than women but that is very likely due to the fact that children who are made homeless are usually with their mothers therefore they get given priority when it comes to accommodation; nobody wants to see kids out on the street. Homeless women without children tend to end up in prostitution and other sex work.

So yeah, those statistics are probably true to an extent but it's often not as simple as it appears on the surface.

WitchSharkadder · 25/12/2017 03:15

I can imagine the the suicide one has some truth to it. However, the reason is often due to the fact that more men don’t seek help for depression, usually because they’re socialised to be ‘big & tough’

Homicides- mostly committed by men.

Violent crime- mostly men who are perpetrators. Plus, are we not counting rape/sexual assaults as violent crime? Because women are far more likely to be victims there.

40% of men being DV victims is laughable

Homelessness is not caused by women. Far more likely to be due to addiction problems, previous history of crime, mental health problems (see above).

Workplace deaths- a PP said.

Prisons- probably due to the fact that most crimes are committed by men. I remember reading some research that showed that the motives behind crimes committed by men and women are very different. Women are more likely to break the law due to desperation. Plus, I’ve also read that women receive longer sentences for the same crime.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 25/12/2017 02:59

I feel like there's so much wrong with these statistics, like they're only telling half the story

Well obviously- they are ignoring the fact that the perpetrators of violence against men are likely to be men.

So far as workplace fatalities- the point is irrelevant. Certain industries are more dangerous than others. They tend to be in the building trade and heavy industry which are male dominated. The safety standards need to be improved. It is poor safety standards, not the fact the workers are male, which causes the fatality.

PleaseDontGoadTheToad · 25/12/2017 02:46

Well it's not true that 40% of domestic abuse victims are male so it wouldn't surprise me if those other figures were incorrect/flawed too.

I view international men's day the same way I viewed heterosexual pride day.

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