International Men's Day?

Every day is international mens day imho! Merry christmas

The problem is that the reason for the issues the meme highlights is the patriarchy. It is damaging to men as well as women. Men generally seem incapable of grasping this, and of addressing the issues themselves, and are inclined to blame women......

Toxic masculinity hurts men as well as women.

HAPPY CHRISTMAS FWR!

I liked this robert Webb piece on international men's day, very much

www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2017/12/male-feminists-are-turkeys-who-voted-long-and-fulfilling-life

In fact, the point of International Men’s Day on 19 November is to highlight those areas where men disproportionately need help rather than disproportionately cause trouble. It will be pointed out to me that it is “no laughing matter” that three out of four suicides are male. It is also true that the overwhelming majority of murders are perpetrated by men and I can’t say my sides are splitting about that either. The two things are linked, but the problem with IMD is that these serious issues attract the attention of some deeply unserious people.

Apart from anything else in that meme, emphasis is needed that men are more likely to be successful in suiciding. Women attempt it more often, they just don't succeed.

Coy, at the risk of being called misandrist (no doubt someone will be along to say it...), there is an element of "short man syndrome" that is probably coming in to play there.

I think an international mans day to highlight and possibly move towards understanding and resolving some of these inequities is in everyone's interest. Same as resolving inequalities skewed against women is in the benefits of everyone .

men have issues and problems that are different to women's. Much as I believe there is a glass ceiling for women ( particularly mothers) I believe there is a glass floor as well.

More boys are born than girls across the world, but many more die young of illnesses and accidents. In many countries, men are individually less likely to marry and have children, although some men may have several wives at once, there are many who can't find a wife at all. men in the uk are 3 times more likely to commit suicide, and 9 times more likely to become homeless.

It may be that men themselves are the route cause of many of the issues they face, but as with all such thinks, it isn't the individuals that cause the probems that end up being the one to suffer from them.

The size and strength idea doesn't apply in my experience. Certainly where I grew up it was the short fellas who were most violent.

Well it would be interesting to research violent behaviour full stop. I am sure that any decent researcher would start by discovering that in human beings it largely but not exclusively occurs in males.

My own thoughts are some sort of combination of

• Size and Strength

• Power

• Hormones / Biology

• Socialization

I note that when I do read about women being abusive it is often in a context of them having a power / strength advantage like perhaps being a carer in a care home.

And some of the most vulnerable people to violence are of course children. I assume though that this follows the usual pattern with men being more violent than women.

I think that's quite common, sadly, Lass.

This is a single anecdote but I used to work in a pub which was en route to the ground of a premier league football club. There are 12 teams in the Scottish Premier League. Out of the 11 possible visiting teams the policing was much higher for 2 particular teams because that was the way it was. The supporters for these 2 teams were expected to be more likely to be violent than the supporters from the other 9. They tackled the effect but whether anyone looked at the cause I do not know.

I expect any serious research would be NAMALTed into oblivion unfortunately. As studying why so many men are so very violent is clearly accusing all men of being violent. Same as even using the phrase 'male violence' means you are a man hating beast.

That's a very important question, Lass. And obviously I can't answer it. But watching my teenage son's peers over the past few years I have been shocked at how quickly aggression and even violence erupts from some of them. I hesitate to say it, but there seems to be
class/education element to it. Although dd, who is at a well regarded university has been hit by a fellow student, and reports that verbal attacks, if not physical Ines are quite widespread.

This might seem a stupid question but are there serious studies and research into why men are violent?

I don't personally know any men who are (or who I know to be) violent- even when drinking the men in my life are not violent. What is so different between them and men who are? Is it biology, societal expectations? family background and upbringing?

I view international men's day the same way I viewed heterosexual pride day

Same.

Figures seem about right (except the 40% DV ) but yes what they fail to mention is that its also the huge majority of the time, men who are hurting other men. The figures are left oddly open, as if they expect people to take from it that its women hurting all of these men? male violence is a problem for everyone. but calling it male violence is horrific apparently and is blaming all men.

If men want to have an international men's day, why not?

I think these are mostly true or close enough, as other painters have said. They seem like the sort of thing MRAs could and should be involved in campaigning or organising about - improved safety in workplaces, encouraging men to talk about suicidal thoughts, stopping men from assaulting people, etc.

Of course, that would need MRAs to actually be concerned about making men's lives better rather than simply whining about women.

Well, it gives Richard Herring something to do on International Woman’s Day!

Meh. I'm glad it exists if all it does is give us an answer to the whingers on International Women's Day who moan about there not being one and we can point out that there is.

Wars and genocides. Last century hundreds of millions died - mostly civilian.

Apart from the domestic abuse figure, the rest could be true I suppose. Male violence is a huge danger in this world for both men and women. So its possible. Wish they'd have a day highlighting and denouncing the sheer levels of male violence that blight and destroy lives every day.

I think the suicide one is true - I haven't checked the actual stat but there is a problem with male suicide that I think genuinely should have more attention. Putting it with some of those other stats does undermine it rather.

Apparently men want change
but have no desire to change.

Name the problem..

Well obviously it is meant to counterbalance Women's Day but Women's Day doesn't celebrate victimhood, it celebrates the women who have fought and are fighting for women's rights.

Clickbait: that's the only story behind this kind of info graphics.

It doesn't even list the references, whether these are national or international numbers and for what period of time.