International Men's Day?

The DV one is - iirc - from a particular survey that firstly included "nagging" as an abusive behaviour, and secondly didn't count instances of abusive behaviour for each person. Then thirdly it didn't record the sex of the perpetrator.

So (being carefully sex neutral...)
Person A counts once in the % for saying they have been nagged at by their partner
Person B counts once in the % for being hospitalised seven times

Another point is that - again iirc and I'm thinking of the right source - sexual violence isn't counted in it.

The statistics look correct or at least they are close enough, not sure about the DV one seems a little high.

Does this go into great detail explaining the stats no it doesn't but then it is not supposed to. It's job is call attention to problems which men face and to gather support. So what if a male victim is attacked by another man how on earth is that self inflicted?
I know why this has been posted on this board so that posters can ridicule it's message and find faults with it (even though the stats don't actually lie) which is odd because I frequently see posts saying men should go out and do something about the problems they face.

Also no where in this message do I see any blame being directed towards women

And at least some of the perpetrators will be male too.

No arguing with the number of women killed by their partners. Although I have met people who tried to........

On the 40% of domestic violence victims are men may be accurate insofar as if you take all dv victims 40% will be male. What is NOT revealed is how of the 60% of women will be many many more times victimised. In fact the individual instances cease to be recorded past a certain point. Similarly the damage inflicted on women is likely to be worse and more likely to be fatal.

The issue at the heart of this is how women are assigned an intrinsic value (as objects, not with agency mind!), which to men at the absolute bottom of the pile probably looks preferable with being assigned agency with no value.

The idea should be we all have an intrinsic value from our common humanity, and equal agency. Looking at the problem from either side of the fence there is a danger that from any subjective position it's easy to think the grass is greener on the other side.

Women may be statistically safer in their retail, call centre, service industry roles, but again, why are these female jobs

Too, don't these kinds of roles carry their own sorts of, perhaps more chronic, health risks. One must ask, is it worse to say fall off a scaffold and injure a wrist, or suffer from long-term repetitive wrist injury?

“Only a few vocal MRAs create this narrative, and very few people listen to them.”

Really? I have been on loads of threads on here where people have used the sort of figures on that meme to show that a)feminists hate men and b) things are just as bad for men and worse in some circumstances........

What narrative? Most men aren't aware of it because there's very little need for it.
Yes there are some issues that affect men, but if they were that important, IMD would be more of a thing and it isn't.
Only a few vocal MRAs create this narrative, and very few people listen to them.

It’ relevant because it’s all part of the “nobody cares about men-especially feminists” narrative.....

Why is this even relevant on the feminist board?

It's not relevant at all - most men don't even know International Men's day exists, as evidenced by all the tweets on IWD asking if there's an IMD.
And answered so dedicatedly by Richard Herring every year.
It's just not relevant full stop.

Why is this even relevant on the feminist board?

I thought the tone of the meme was picking up on and responding to International Women’s Day. In a kind of men have it as bad as or worse than women, why are women making a fuss way. And that women are not paying enough attention to men’s suffering. Granted, this is not saying women cause any of these things, but there is surely an implication that by having International Women’s Day, women are contributing to silencing discussion about harm done to men.

I don’t think I said at any point male violence was self-inflicted.

Don't think anyone has blamed women Iced, but nor is it appropriate to label male victims of other males - be that industrial neglect or intentional violence (or of pure accidents, as in your example) - as "self inflicted".

There was a construction death on the new Queensferry crossing near Edinburgh, when it was being built. I cannot remember the details, but it was clearly an accident, but it was caused by the unintended and accidental consequences of the actions of other workers, who had clearly acted properly with accidental and fatal consequences . I remember thinking this was tragic for all concerned.

It seems trite to start arguing this and incidents like it are somehow women’s fault. Or that there had been inadequate thought amongst the men concerned.

In this instance, the causes were height, heavy machinery, and human error. We all make mistakes, but it is more likely to be men in the occupations which are dangerous. Trade unions fought in the 19th century to keep women out of them; after both world wars, women were sent back home. So, we need to look at why these occupations are predominantly male.

Women may be statistically safer in their retail, call centre, service industry roles, but again, why are these female jobs? They are often part-time, lower paid etc.

You could unpick all of these headline stats for a nuanced and constructive debate benefitting both sexes. Posters on here have started to do that, and it is interesting and helpful reading. The meme doesn’t do that, it has a ‘what about the menz’ tone.

What about the menz? As others have said, patriarchy hurts men too. Feminists have sons, fathers, brothers, husbands. None of us want men to be hurt, in despair, victims or perpetrators. But neither do we want ourselves to be. It is that simple.

We've already had several centuries of men's days haven't we?!

I was actually referring to men's death in their work place

Emloyee safety is far down the list of business concerns.

And it could be said that most safety efforts are in fact box ticks to show to court.

The deaths are caused by the , almost certainly male, employers but to call the deaths of the workers "self-inflicted" is vile.

How curious, when I said, men's problems are self inflicted, I was actually referring to men's death in their work place and car accidents and things like that..

Work place deaths are far more likely to be caused by a failure in safety systems or inadequate / non-existent systems or poor management and cost cutting than derring do.

This is particularly the case in construction projects in non EU countries, and particularly so in the case of Gulf states' vanity projects.

How curious, when I said, men's problems are self inflicted, I was actually referring to men's death in their work place and car accidents and things like that..

You know, where men throw caution to the wind?.
Where men disregard safety precautions because they hinder production in the work place or take unnecessary risks when driving their cars because they love speed and showing off.

Women think faster than men, that is why you see so few women taking the risks men do, cos they have time to work out the consequences before they leap into the abyss.
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What does Status Manhood mean to men?

Self inflicted is a dreadful term to use.

SOME men are the victims of violence by men or more accurately the majority of people who are victims of violence suffer it at the hands of men.

It’s not victim blaming to say that the overwhelming majority of violence men suffer is inflicted by other men!

I agree. But that's not what was said. "Self inflicted" implies rather strongly that the victim is at fault.

SOME men are violent

SOME men are the victims of violence by men

The two groups are not necessarily the same people!

SOME women are violent

SOME women are the victims of violence by women. That doesn't make it ok.

“Isn't that victim blaming? If another man attacks me is it accurate or fair to say it was self inflicted?”

It’s not victim blaming to say that the overwhelming majority of violence men suffer is inflicted by other men!

Is it right that most of men's problems are caused by themselves and self inflicted?

Isn't that victim blaming? If another man attacks me is it accurate or fair to say it was self inflicted?

"I view international men's day the same way I viewed heterosexual pride day."

Firstly this, and secondly who or what is the main cause of all those things listed. Hmmmmmm...I think these people never think it through.

Nobody has denied the accuracy of the statistics- it is the way they are being presented which is the issue.

Other than suicide and workplace fatalities they are connected to male violence. Of course a man who beats up another man is going to get a stiffer sentence than a female shoplifter.

Women do not get involved in violent crime in the way men do. Men need to address what makes them violent. I suspect socilaisation and growing up in an environment where violence is normal plays a big part.