Times article - Greening delays plans to reform GRA

wanders

Like sensationalist headlines in the times/express/daily mail, panic filled letters to MP's... oh wait.

Nope - like claims that trans teens are at high risk of suicide (the NHS gender dysphoria service says it knows of only one suicide, ever); or that trans people are at high risk of murder (no UK murders since 2015, being trans actually reduces your risk, compared to the general population); or that anyone disagreeing with them, however politely, is LITERAL VIOLENCE; or that gender critical feminists should be raped/burnt/killed.

This is good news for once.
As a PP said, thanks to the core of posters who have continued to tackle the issue and school the rest of us.

I was aghast when a male bodied person was transferred woman’s prison, which led me here where I found like minded people.

Thanks too to MN.

Almost like there is some sort of ideological bias going on...

It's just funny how when social media promotes articles in favour of trans rights, then it's manipulation and oppression. But when the rightwing press runs articles against trans rights then suddenly it's all about democratic expression and finally listening to women.

Scottish govt not Scottish five

Bloody hell I just went into the Scottish five website to respond to their consultation. They seem to be full on lemming in their approach. Some of the questions made me consider new horrors I hadn’t even imagined. Such as should a gender reassignment cease to be a valid cause for divorce. Meaning you could find yourself as a woman in a marriage to a “woman” against your will. WTF.

Filled in the consultation though I’m not in Scotland. Plus I’m only a woman so I don’t count on any level.

When people are used to getting their own way, it probably does feel like oppression when someone finally says "no".

Open discussion in a democratic society is not bullying - unless of course 'transphobia' is defined as 'anything I don't like hearing'

Sadly guardianfree that appears to be what many consider to be bullying. It's bizarre.

Open discussion in a democratic society is not bullying - unless of course 'transphobia' is defined as 'anything I don't like hearing'

wandersail
It's amazing what a couple of months of open debate is like after several years of deliberate silencing "#nodebate"
Such a surprise to hear women protesting about our erasure and people worrying about the harm being done to children in the name of this 'movement'.

because you can be sure that TRAs will now be ramping up the bullying and manipulation.

Like sensationalist headlines in the times/express/daily mail, panic filled letters to MP's... oh wait.

I doubt Greening will ever use the words "so called feminists" again

In fairness, that was Maria Miller.

Hopefully, as a gay woman, Greening has lesbian friends who are alerting her to the threat that TRAs pose to women, gay women in particular.

We need to keep up the pressure though - because you can be sure that TRAs will now be ramping up the bullying and manipulation.

"And regardless of legislation, organisations like Girl Guides and schools are effectively replacing sex with subjective gender identification."

Awful though that is, I don't think it's viable in the long term. At some point, there'll be a group of angry parents who have discovered their teenage daughters have been forced to share a tent with a teenage boy, and they'll be absolutely furious. And they'll sue the arses off the Guides.

It might not be the Guides, it might be something else, but whatever it is, you can bet your bottom dollar that the parents won't go, "Oh, it's fine for my daughter to be sharing with a teenage boy, I mustn't be prejudiced." Because, actually, most normal people who aren't politically active, haven't got a clue that this stuff is going on, and haven't got a clue that objecting to it makes them evil transphobic bigots who deserve to be shot.

A little glimmer of hope.

Must. Keep. Going.

This is good news, but just dropping it isn’t enough. Most public sector bodies use self ID now, we need to demand exemptions are actually used.

cromeyellow0 is right.
The damage is already being done in schools - even the National Association of Headteachers have issued guidelines specifying that any self ID person must immediately have access to gendered facilities and any member of staff who objects must go elsewhere - so that promptly excludes any member of staff who can't share changing facilities / toilets with the opposite sex for religious, reasons, dignity, personal preference.
Of course no doubt written by men people who have never struggled with managing the side effects of heavy periods, dysmenorrhea, pregnancy etc in a busy school where you barely have time to pee, let alone deal with managing your privacy.
We absolutely need to increase the pressure so that the Guides, the NAHT and other organisations begin to amend these guidelines. We have to show that they are actively excluding women and girls and making them unsafe in places where their safety should be paramount.

Congratulations to the regular posters here who have tirelessly made the arguments. I'm sure this made a real difference, as it would have encouraged women to write to their MPs. It's quite an achievement to have at least slowed down the advance of this movement, unlike in Canada for example.

I suspect this is Dunkirk rather than VE Day. The PM has hitched herself to the cause by declaring that transgender is not a mental illness. Then there's Scotland. And regardless of legislation, organisations like Girl Guides and schools are effectively replacing sex with subjective gender identification.

Wow, dare I allow a little optimism to enter my thoughts?! This is definitely great news, if nothing else it gives us more time to get the message out to people.

I doubt the Tories ever intended to push this through, not with their track record.
But what about Labour? Will they back down now? Or would they push it through if they come to power?

I notice it is the LBGT community she appears to be particularly concerned about

She’s a lesbian who has only recently come out publicly so I suspect that will have an impact.

There have been rumours around Education for a while that she’s due a promotion so maybe she’s planning on keeping her head down for a bit on anything potentially contentious.

I really hope so.

And yes I hope legally everywhere is legally pulled apart for their reckless approaches

Giles I think it will make a difference if self-ID does not become law even if many organisations are acting as if it's already law.

It means that it remains possible to legally challenge those orgs for not applying the law correctly in their policies. In the current climate it would take a lot of bravery for people to do that but it is possible and if/when the tide turns it will become easier.

Once self ID makes it into primary legislation all hope of that is gone.

The schools, Guides etc who have put children at risk deserve law suits and public condemnation.

This will all cause a bad backlash on the gender non conforming people, which is sad.

The narcissistic types taking over sports and Travis/changing rooms, I have little sympathy for.

I'm assuming however that even then all those who have sued schools and gained access to segregated facilities will still be able to access them?