"Gender" on a form

GreenBook me too! For something medical their sex matters. It just does - or could. Whether they like dresses or football is of absolutely no importance.

Also a bit of a watershed moment for me, that flu vaccine form.

Find something important to complain about.

Sex does matter in many ways and is hugely important for shaping future policies in Health and Social Care and the subsequent funding.

I might also add that 'trans girls are girls' is never used. I wonder why?

Here we are then - "a man who is pretending he is a woman" in order to access a training course where the spaces allocated to men were already full. Does that seem plausible to you? It doesn't to me. How would a man actually go about trying to gain this dubious advantage?

Lolz. Aye, however would that play out?

Why bother actually asking at all if you don't want accurate data?

They're not "female". It's inaccurate. These things matter.

Goodness, I've been crossing out gender and have been putting down sex since it was introduced. Forms used to be sex/gender. I used to cross out the gender, especially in schools.

Now I just cross out gender and put sex above or beside it.

I scribble it out now and write sex instead. It must be annoying to those recieving the form but I feel so fucking strongly on this issue now that I can't not do it! If there is enough space I will also write 'I have no gender!'

Yes, I am petty

I usually don't answer those questions. I don't identify with any of the boxes.

It's not a big issue, it's not important, no lives are at stake. This is Feminism chat, we can chat about whatever we want.

Here we are then - "a man who is pretending he is a woman" in order to access a training course where the spaces allocated to men were already full. Does that seem plausible to you? It doesn't to me. How would a man actually go about trying to gain this dubious advantage?

@Motherofpearl

Lol, just like all those people who use to cross out "British" and write "ENGLISH!!" on official forms. I think they probably still do.

Things go round and round and round, always the same responses.

They'll just record you in the correct box (as in man or woman, just like they'd tick British if you crossed it out and wrote English).

You guys are living like first world anarchy nonsense, lol.

X-posted there.

they have given other options

VerticalBlinds the OP has said there were other options on the form, so she is not defending nonbinary people from being forced to choose one or the other.
She is apparently just upset by the idea that a trans woman might tick the same box on the form as her?

MotherofPearl I agree that a medical form needs to be much clearer - and the squeamish use of "gender" to avoid writing the word "sex" (oo-er) doesn't help at all. The form in the OP is very clear that they do not mean biological sex.

In that situation I’d cross the question through and write “I do not identify with the concept of gender, my sex is female”.

I usually just cross through gender and write ‘sex’ and tick female.

I appreciated the MN survey recently which just asked “Are you: male, female, other”

I'm glad I'm not the only one adjusting forms! I've also taught my children to.

What’s the issue?

You tick the box that you identify with, no problems.

Some people really do love to find fault where there is none! Or are you upset because you identify as a genderless alien from the planet zorf and there isn’t an option for that on your poorly formatted form.

Honestly love, just get a grip here, it’s a form, it offers two choices, you only have two fucking choices.

I routinely cross out 'gender' and replace it with 'sex' on forms. My DC were recently weighed and measured at school as part of an NHS monitoring programme. As part of this I had to fill in a form for each of them where there was a box for gender - you could tick male, female or 'prefer not to answer'. I crossed out gender and wrote sex, and ticked the appropriate boxes for my DC.

It took me a lot of self-restraint not to add: 'You mean sex not gender. This is a medical form so I'm almost certain that it is biological difference that you are actually interested in here. Gender has nothing whatsoever to do with height and weight. Gender is a social construct, FYI.'

Someone's on their lunch break and there's not much going on. Any more threads you'd like to drop into to froth at, laudanum?

You said NOT what is your biological sex. Which would actually be relevant for this form.

Now you're saying neither is relevant? Or they both are?

OH DEAR.

Clearly it's the end of the world. 🙄

Jesus. Find something important to complain about.

So many people who want to make a point about not letting a trans person into their female group out of principle. All the same people who say that they don't have a problem with genuine trans people and aren't transphobic and do know that trans exists blah blah blah.