"Gender" on a form

We have three gender boxes on our forms. (M, F and U). I have to allocate shared bedrooms by gender, not sex. We don’t collect sex. I don’t have any way of telling the intact male transwomen from natal women, so they are allocated a female roommate. This is fine and dandy for the right on posters who don’t mind sharing a bedroom with a stranger with a penis, but unfair to the many young women who have suffered male violence/ rape etc. Or who are culturally unable to share with a man. Collecting gender on forms instead of sex is a nonsense. And allowing people to selfID is making it worse.

That is really unfair. I would feel extremely uncomfortable sharing with a man and I've no huge trauma. I have been groped, catcalled and similar but nothing more serious.

Surely this is discrimination against women and it can be challenged? It doesn't matter how someone identifies. If you have a penis you're male. It's that simple. And even if you have had SRS you're still male. And TW retain male patterns of criminality. But of course, if women get attacked, assaulted it's our fault. It's so fucked up and I'm getting increasingly angry.

I filled in a form on-line for a running race and it asked for gender - I thought the organisers of a sporting activity would want to know your sex not gender.

It’s an interesting question. It would probably get recorded as a female attacking a female room mate, in any case, even if it was a rape, so the entire scenario is a disaster. We don’t actually have any way of telling as we don’t collect sex (and frankly, even if we did, I imagine the ‘transwomen are women even if they have penises’ lobby would support intact males ticking the female sex box).
Liability-wise I have raised my concerns with my manager, and in cases where it comes to light that a self identified ‘female’ is trans then I basically lie and make up a reason to give the transwoman a single. This actually makes me more liable as I am discriminating directly against transwomen.

The woman/girl obviously. Like always. She is transphobic for objecting, but if she is attacked its her own fault for not objecting.

Yes, I imagine that would be exactly how it would go.

The individual is liable for their actions.

If anything happens to the women/girls who are put in the same room as a man/boy - who is liable?

The woman/girl obviously. Like always. She is transphobic for objecting, but if she is attacked its her own fault for not objecting.

SpartonDregs

Currently waiting on a response to the liability issue from both my MP and Topshop.

Topshop still emailing me every 3-4 days to assure me my emails very important to them and they will be responding apparently they're currently experiencing a 'high volume of contacts'

No point segregating bedrooms by sex

If anything happens to the women/girls who are put in the same room as a man/boy - who is liable? I hope you have something to say it isn't you.

WTAF - no. The only one who bothered to engage told me I was wrong, as if it was a woman objecting to sharing a bedroom with a black woman (if she had been previously attacked by a black woman) then it wouldn’t be allowed. So there ya go. No point segregating bedrooms by sex - it’s wrong to do so as it accuses all men of being abusers.

On my 8yo Ds's flu vaccination form I crossed out gender and put sex male. I'm tempted to do a SAR to see if they have assumed his gender.

On my teenage DS recent vaccination forms it had to be completed online, but I emailed the corresponding NHS email address asking if knowing the person's sex would have been more useful. Unsurprisingly they have yet to respond.

My New Year Resolution- to let no gender box go by un-sexed. The flu box was my first one too! Seems there's a few of us.

Pretty much BatShite, yes.

Have any of the many, many posters who keep popping up to explain why self ID is a good thing been able to solve this one for you yet?

Well the solution would clearly be...bigots who do not want to share with male bodied people never leave the house. As male people are the most oppressed of the oppressed and the only possible reason for not wanting to sleep in a room with a male person is because you think all male people are rapists

I work in medical education and recently all our test questions have changed from sex to gender. So for example, a question will be:
Which one of these factors is most important to consider when treating X?
A. Age
B. Family history
C. Gender

Makes my teeth itch.

I sent out a survey today with gender instead of sex. It really bugged me but I was asked to do it about 5 mins before we closed for Christmas and I didn't have time to change it.

I also briefly reflected on why I was sending they survey and if I needed that info and realised I didn't. I already have a record on their legal sex and I struggle to see a situation where I would need to split the information I am gathering (feedback on an event) by sex so the question is actually just pointless anyway. When I rewrite it I think I will just remove it. I suspect that is the case a lot of the time.

I have had this both in professional and personal settings. For training at work, I crossed out gender and wrote sex. I also lightly mentioned to my colleague that the constant conflation of the two annoyed me and she asked was it because there are so many different genders. I said no, it's because strictly speaking gender is a grammatical term and sex is biological.

In a personal setting I also crossed out gender on an anonymous form and wrote sex and wrote a rather long rant about how sex is biological and please would they stop participating in female erasure.

I wouldn't be keen on sharing a bedroom with a strange man I've got to say.

I stayed on a mixed ward when I was 18, for 1 night, I was the only female there (well by appearance ) and did feel quite vulnerable when the lights went down. Two of them in particular were just sitting in their beds staring at me. Not nice.

blackdoggotmytongue

Have any of the many, many posters who keep popping up to explain why self ID is a good thing been able to solve this one for you yet?

We have three gender boxes on our forms. (M, F and U). I have to allocate shared bedrooms by gender, not sex. We don’t collect sex. I don’t have any way of telling the intact male transwomen from natal women, so they are allocated a female roommate.
This is fine and dandy for the right on posters who don’t mind sharing a bedroom with a stranger with a penis, but unfair to the many young women who have suffered male violence/ rape etc. Or who are culturally unable to share with a man.
Collecting gender on forms instead of sex is a nonsense. And allowing people to selfID is making it worse.

Oh no vertical some people don't even get it about race! Ffs!

It's this question of what do you identify as rather than what you are.

I can identify as anything I like but if it's not what I am then the issues / privileges associated with the whatever-it-is are not directly relevant to me.

And the argument that what you are (feel) inside is what is relevant and not what others perceive you to be is clearly nonsense when it comes to equalities issues.

People seem to get this about race but not sex.

it depends what they want to know.

Equalities info used to be around race / sex etc

If sex is replaced with gender then it gives no indication of whether the becunted (or bepenised) population are accessing it or not.

If they want to know if there is a decent uptake from the trans population then the question do you identify as transgender is more useful.

Since the answer is meaningless, why do they even bother asking? Its become as superfluous as asking your sexual orientation or race. They dont care about equality so should just drop the pretense.