Socialist Feminist Network policy statement on gender ID.

Brilliant! Really clearly explained.

Wow.

Please, someone take notice of this.

Brilliant. I'm not remotely socialist, but am very impressed by this statement.

I think they're @socfemnet on Twitter.

This is great.

Pleased to see this! Do they have a Twitter account?

Hoorah!

‘Queer theorists see the intimate connection between biological sex and oppression and react by trying to dismantle the notion of biological sex whilst socialists and feminists react by seeking to dismantle oppression’

Absolutely. Gender theory is regressive and does not address the actual issue of women's (and TIMs') oppression at all, it simply reinforces it.

I found some slides ... who knows if they are real or not. They are not quite what was posted, but they are still pretty scary. Boils down to gender is a protected characteristic. Sex is not. The gender of a soldier can be altered in DEERS (the official register) according to 'feels' if these are supported my army medical people. The soldier does not need to transition surgically. Once they have been recorded in DEERS as the gender of their choice then that's that - they must shower in the appropriate barracks - i.e. if a soldier with a penis feels female then he is a she and must barrack with the women. The women must accept that hardship an lack of privacy are part of military life. All soldiers must be treated with dignity and respect.

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under direct observation

Great stuff!
Is "hysterical" an intentionally ironic word choice?

The military guidelines are bad enough though. Females may have to pee while under direct (as in, close enough to see the pee come out) by a trans woman and they can’t object.

It feels a bridge too far, even for the trans radicals.

But, if there’s one thing I have learnt, it’s that boundaries are not allowed to exist. So who knows.

I can only find right wing or faux news references to it.

MaidOfStars

Yes, I had a look. Apparently there is a series of slides which constitute guidelines. Odd choice of wording though. The women have to remain ‘mute’ if a TIM enters their shower.

The chap who was hired by Trump to deal with trans stuff seems to be behind highlighting it.

But he sounds sexist. So I got as far as drilling down, then came up against someone I disagreed with.

That’s as far as I’ve got!

I actually can’t directly link the statement to American military policy. It was said as part of a commentary on the new guidelines by some Catholic spokesperson.

@Datun

That was the single statement that stayed with me too. And you seem like the kind of person to have already checked its veracity.... Is it true?

Oh wait, it's on her twitter. She is indeed involved with this website. Apologies.

I'd never heard of her though - and google doesn't really return much about her either. I guess because she's an NUT representative?

Sorry, married to a CURRENT big union leader, not former.

@LangCleg: nope. All I can find out about her is that she's an NUT officer and that she's married to a former union leader. I had never heard of her before this.

She seems to run completely contrary to the NUT position on this.

Most of the things I found on google were related to her husband.

Where did you find the information that Ruth Serwotka was behind this website? It doesn't mention it on the site as far as I can see, beyond the fact that it reposted one of the things she posted on Facebook?

I had rather hoped it might bring back some of the ideology of socialist feminism in its second-wave form. It didn't occur to me that it was connected with the Labour Party.

Which socialists does this represent in reality?

Feminist socialists in the Labour Party who oppose proposed changes to the GRA and are being prevented from organising by other women's structures in the Labour Party.

You're right about it being a single issue organisation currently but that's why it is. Its convenor is Ruth Serwotka. You may have heard of her.

Puresummer: You're right about it being set up to fight a single issue. I think, however, all the women in the group would call themselves socialists - it's specifically for women on the left/in the Labour movement who want to campaign on the GRA amendments.

Wonderful! I hope that they develop an agenda that extends beyond the trans fight to include some real proactive campaigns.

Which socialists does this represent in reality? Because this just seems to be a website set up in August specifically in response to changes in the GRA, with every post it makes being about transpeople, as opposed to a genuine socialist women's group.

This isn't a socialist group wising up to the proposed changes to the GRA - it's an anti-GRA changes website that just so happens to have co-opted the name "socialist feminism". I don't see a single other thing on the website that has anything to do with socialism at all.

So of course Corbyn won't listen to them - they're just another group representing the same arguments. Just calling yourself a socialist group doesn't, it turns out, actually make you a socialist group.

socialistreview.org.uk/424/teachers-victory-trans-rights
socialistworker.co.uk/art/41703/Trans+peoples+fight+needs+solidarity+not+exclusion
www.swp.org.uk/about-us

They're just a small example of socialist groups. Note: I am not a socialist. However, don't see this as "socialists wising up" because it just isn't true. It's someone co-opting the word "socialist" to pretend that socialists are somehow on the anti-changes-to-the-GRA side, when in reality it just isn't true.