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Actually I think this deserves its own thread

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WTAFisthisshit · 15/12/2017 14:14

Labour Woman's officer thinks that trans woman are a larger percentage of the population than woman who have experienced sexual assault or rape.

I'm not a LP member and I'm not a constituent. Who do I complain to about this?

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GuardianLions · 15/12/2017 17:35

I hate 'deadname' too. It is very cult-ish and manipulative.
Such an insult to the whole period of parental sacrifice that prioritised your well-being in order that you might live and live well - for you to then rubbish all those years of care, as a kind of living death insisting that everyone including those parents must forget about those years and experiences entirely, including their own sweat, blood and tears, that gave you that life.

Ungrateful little toerag - slating his own parents on twitter.

MentholBreeze · 15/12/2017 17:22

Deadnaming is a horrible term. I mean, I get called Mrs DPName pretty often, I don't worry too much, although I'll generally correct people, especially if it's in an official capacity - I don't have a go at them for it (again, unless someone is forcefully malicious/incompetent around it and it causes me trouble).

Where are all the people telling Lilly he's being hysterical, that it's not a big deal, that it's traditional that parents call their children by the name they chose for him and he should take it as a complement, and fight bigger battles?

KatherinaMinola · 15/12/2017 17:19

Yes, me too!

busyboysmum · 15/12/2017 17:17

X Posted Katherina 😁

KatherinaMinola · 15/12/2017 17:17

I mean the total figure of women who have been raped - not the annual figure. I suppose that would be pretty hard to work out - might have to be an estimate based on proportion of women who say they have been raped.

busyboysmum · 15/12/2017 17:17

It’s probably basing it on the 85,000 women a year who are raped, and the 650,000 trans-people there are.

Yes but that doesn't take into account that it's probably a different 85,000 women each year. So actually there must be a lot of woman like myself who was sexually assaulted in 1989 and still suffers because of it. We are still alive. Just because we weren't assaulted this year doesn't mean we're over it.

KatherinaMinola · 15/12/2017 17:15

It’s probably basing it on the 85,000 women a year who are raped, and the 650,000 trans-people there are.

Not taking into account those who don’t report rape. Not taking into account those who are actually killed. Not taking into account sexual harassment which is endemic. Not taking into account that half those trans people are women anyway.

And not taking into account the fact that a woman might have been raped (or sexually assaulted short of rape) two years ago, or ten years ago, or forty years ago. If you're looking at sexual assault, the figure is practically all women (ie somewhere in the region of 51% of the population). I don't know what the figure is on how many women were raped and reported the rape.

WTAFisthisshit · 15/12/2017 17:14

Datun I really think you may be judging others by your own standards and crediting Lily with a level of intelligence they just don't have! I don't think any thought went into that tweet AT ALL.

thehairthebod actually LOL!

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Thehairthebod · 15/12/2017 17:09

If Lily's Mum was truly disgusted with them and completely unaccepting, surely they would have just chucked Lily out on their ear?

I'm imagining a conversation like this:

'Liam, I'm putting a wash on, do you want me to put the pink hoodie and dungaree dress in too'?

'Mum, stop DEADNAMING me! Why can't you just accept me. But yeah, the hoodie and dress are upstairs in my dirty washing, ta'.

Datun · 15/12/2017 17:06

It’s probably basing it on the 85,000 women a year who are raped, and the 650,000 trans-people there are.

Not taking into account those who don’t report rape. Not taking into account those who are actually killed. Not taking into account sexual harassment which is endemic. Not taking into account that half those trans people are women anyway.

If anyone is on Twitter, I believe the #metoo campaign extended to, I want to say, 11 million? I don’t do Twitter, but, from what I understand, it’s just how many times it’s been tweeted?

Any chance someone could take a screenshot of that, post to his feed and add the appropriate withering comment.

You really don’t get women, do you? Should do it.

WTAFisthisshit · 15/12/2017 17:01

How many kids has Lily's Mum got? I've got 5, they have a pretty poor chance of being called by the right name without one of them changing! So they often get called sweet pea as an all encompassing even as teens/adults. They manage to still get on with their lives without having a hissy fit on twitter!!

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Lancelottie · 15/12/2017 16:59

Oh good grief, that first pair of images. 'Don't care about women, they're all horrid TERFs, people should only ever care about MEEEEEE, yah boo sucks you're blocked'.

Thehairthebod · 15/12/2017 16:58

Yes in his quest to play the poor little victim, he is willing to publicly humiliate his own Mum, who incidentally still puts him up at home.

Nice.

BatShite · 15/12/2017 16:55

That didn't stop him requesting money in his 'deadname'...seems it is only dead now and then.

Good point Grin

Lancelottie · 15/12/2017 16:55

I'm waiting for little Lils to get on with the job rather than tweeting about personal family arguments. This sort of thing is not what public figures are meant to do.

Besides which, my parents still randomly call all of us pet names that haven't suited us for decades. Be glad it's just 'Liam', dear self-obsessed one, rather than Sausage, Dilly Daydream, Bongo or Chubster.

SpartonDregs · 15/12/2017 16:53

That didn't stop him requesting money in his 'deadname'...seems it is only dead now and then.

PollyBanana · 15/12/2017 16:51

I would call Lily a silly little girl, except they would take it as validation

MyBrilliantDisguise · 15/12/2017 16:50

"Deadname"? Oh god, that is a terrible term. His poor parents, to have that period of their lives wiped out.

carrotandcornsoup · 15/12/2017 16:47

I always think deadname is such a cruel term - when you think of the thought and care most parents put into choosing their child’s name, to have it dismissed like that.

WTAFisthisshit · 15/12/2017 16:32

He has absolutely no sense, empathy or self awareness.

Lily's Mum if you're reading Flowers

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KatherinaMinola · 15/12/2017 16:23

I am astonished that someone at the beginning of their (mainstream) political career could be so dismissive of victims of sexual violence

Yes, there's that too. The flip little comment and hand gesture.

DeleteOrDecay · 15/12/2017 16:20

He shows his nativity and inexperience every time he opens his gob. Or in this case his laptop.

KatherinaMinola · 15/12/2017 16:18

I think he's saying that the percentages are higher for transwomen than for women.

I imagine so too, otherwise that would clearly be bonkers Confused. I know all of this is bonkers but...

Anyway, the percentage of women who have experienced sexual assault must be close to 100%. It can't be much higher for transwomen, simply because there isn't much higher you can go.

Otoh if he's saying that transwomen form a larger percentage of the population than women who have been sexually assualted, then... well, he's really, really bad at maths.

Whatever it is he's saying here, he's wrong.

carrotandcornsoup · 15/12/2017 16:07

If this doesn’t show how completely unsuitable he is for the role of women’s officer then I don’t know what will.

IrisAtwood · 15/12/2017 14:40

Oh dear. This shows such a lack of knowledge and experience and it supports the anxiety that Lily is about transwomens issues, not women’s issues.
I think contacting the relevant organisations would be a good idea.

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