Owen Jones article

catgirl Excellent post! Have you shared it elsewhere?

Excellent post 53rdWay.

When OWEN JONES is summoned by his name being written here does he read the threads and think or does he see there's a thread about him and just start ranting on twitter?

The poor child in the photo accompanying the article just reminds me of the quote I saw on twitter recently 'a 10 year old trans is like a vegan cat, we all know where the ideas are coming from.

If as Owen Jones acknowledges the main transphobia is coming from MEN why are little boys not being educated about letting that child in the photo use the boys room in peace?

And why are males more transphobic? Is it because they're aware of the predators in their mist? No male I know has anything against gay men or gender non conforming men but when I told my partner about the GRA he could instantly see what the problems were, he also thinks it will never happen so I shouldn't worry.

I made him watch the interview with LM his instant response was 'we see him, we know what he is, no decent man will ever let him get near a woman or child.

Society always knew the difference between transsexuals, transvestites and sex offenders and treated accordingly, why the hell is this now being fudged.

He's such a fucking twonk

The objections to the current trans agenda are not comparable to homophobia in anyway.

But since he bases an entire argument around 'replace trans with gay' I'm going to write out the trans agenda replacing trans with black.

I identify as black even though I was born white.

I base this on 'feeling black' although I am not able to state what black actually is.

I demand that genetically black people refer to themselves as 'cis black'

If people refer to me as white I will tell them this is literal violence

I refuse to accept that I have had all the privileges associated with being white despite being brought up as white, being observed by everyone around me as white and having social advantages conferred upon me by being white

I will repeat 'trans blacks are black' ad infinitum

When black people say 'hang on - you've got no idea what it's like to be black - you've not experience life as a black person, you've not been racially abused or disadvantaged, you've not grown up in that culture or shared our history' I will tell them they are trans phobic and racist.

I will tell black people they have cis black privilege and will tell them to stop discussing things that disporpotionally affect them as a race such as sickle cell disease, racism etc because it is exclusionary

When I am asked to define what being black means I will boil it down to offensive and out dated stereotypes

I will assert that race is on a spectrum because no one is completely black or white insist this proves you can change race

I will assert that I have actually changed race genetically and biologically because I say so

I will take scholarships and places on committees set up to increase black participation in public life or education and I will take the places from genetically black people and expect to be lauded for it

I will abuse and threaten black people who refuse to accept that I have actually changed race or who say I cannot understand what it is to be black or live that experience

I will refuse to allow black people to debate this or challenge me. If they do I will have them removed from political platforms or their jobs. I will out them on twitter and pressure their employers to fire them

I will insist that black people and white people have different brains

I will reduce the definition of black people to how they behave, what they wear and how they style their hair. If anyone says this is offensive and reductive I will call them racist and have them shut down

I will do all this and claim that I am progressive and anyone who disagrees with me is trans race phobic and I will be told how brave I am

Except I won't because that would be obviously offensive, racist drivel. And yet exactly the same is happening here. Literally all I have done is replace female with black and male with white and sex with race and it's instantly apparent that this is lunacy of the highest order.

You’ve mentioned his name! You’ll summon him now, and then he’ll passive-aggressively swipe at us on Twitter and THEN YOU’LL BE SORRY.

(Hey Owen: being a good solid leftist, you’ll know that there’s a long solid tradition of feminists saying they’re giving up on leftist groups and their activism because they’re full of sexist blokes. What’s your theory for why feminists say this? I’m sure it can’t be that we’re right.)

My sarcasm meter just exploded.

I like his parody of what worries women. It's clear that he listens carefully when women speak and has the courage to engage honestly with people he doesn't agree with.

Thumbs up, Owen.

Having said that, forgive my rant - the Guardian is getting more gender critical these days so it is worth trying.

I wouldn't bother. He gets tons of reasoned comment from feminists (and quite a few gay men) on Twitter and he just blocks them. I found it revealing the way he said recently that how come younger feminists agreed with him? (Answer: lack of life experience as a woman). But the tone of it was that of a man, gay or straight, who has no use for women when they aren't young, pretty and in agreement with him. He really is a vile misogynist.