Man in Brighton exposes himself to children while wearing womens clothes claims athletes foot made him do it

Debbie6666 Because the final bit of paperwork which is not particularly important to the real world but quite important to some is an intrusive and expensive process.

It's £140 with a fee waiver for those on a low income.

Indeed the process requires access and use of all those spaces everyone is getting upset about.

Indeed it doesn't. The evidence required for living 2 years in your chosen gender is 5-6 documents in your new identity covering the relevant time span.

I don't believe it's that intrusive either. You send in your evidence with your 2 medical reports and your signed declaration and as long as all your paperwork is in order you have a very good chance of being granted a GRC. Compare this with what people have to go through to claim a disability benefit - now that's intrusive.

What on earth do you mean by 'not female enough' woman?

I don't know if you know this, but for many years now transwomen have used female areas. It is the opening it up to all male people that is the issue here.

Passing transwomen...what about them?

They are saying they cant use those spaces. its ridiculous to expect a passing trans woman to use the gents

and the not female enough woman and the passing trans person, how are you dealing with them

trans people are, they are being singled out into third spaces

No-one has said they can't use the spaces for their sex...

If they do not wish to use the areas for their sex, then a third space is the only solution that makes any sense. Besides doing away with sex segregation.

trans people are, they are being singled out into third spaces

Noone is singling out a minority. Male people are not a minority.

If someone commits a crime they will be dealt with.

Well, yes, this man was dealt with by giving him a 12-month community order, 80 hours community service and a £170 costs.

So, still walking around. Still with the same medical condition that compels him to scratch his penis in a toddler play area.

So yes, 'dealt with'.

how about the women forced out of their woman's spaces because other woman don't feel they meet the standard. Then there are the "passing" trans people who waltz in unchallenged.

Not against segregation as it is, but when you start singling out a minority and forcing them into other likely lesser facilities that's a different matter.

Feel free to challenge any non presenting as female male looking person in the ladies, its NOT a crime to.

Thought the claims were trans people were not the treat, so why segregate them.

Also not suggesting segregating trans people. Suggesting segregating male and female. Makes no sense at all to want sex segregation, but say it is not segregated by sex. So therefor, the only position that makes sense (besides agreeing with sex segregation) is that you do not think sex segregation is needed and everything should be unisex.

Anyway why only a third space, what about trans men or do all trans people have to share?

Obviously that's up to different trans groups to decide and specify what to campaign for. The same way women identified their needs and then fought for women's spaces. I'll gladly help campaign.

Are you against sex segregation fullstop?

so the third space is already not equal, its a shared space.

Thought the claims were trans people were not the treat, so why segregate them.

Male, female and gender neutral. Makes sense to me. Can you explain what the issue would be with this?

Or, as I asked earlier, are you against sex segregation alltogether? Should we get rid of male/female and have unisex everything?

Separate but equal was the claim, the third spaces were never equal though were they, false comparison to racial segregation or sounds exactly the same.

Anyway why only a third space, what about trans men or do all trans people have to share?

then either you're arguing for women to shut up and deal with being collateral damage or you're really scarily naiive.

I'd vote for the first. these people don't give a fuck about women.

We know this. We just had a massive campaign in which women queued up to tell us about these sorts of behaviours. That's why we don't let people with dicks into the toilets.

YYYY. Join the fucking dots.

Self ID is not a defence against criminal behaviour.

If you are seriously trying to say that no one could exploit this, and that the law already does all it needs to to protect women against criminal behaviour then either you're arguing for women to shut up and deal with being collateral damage or you're really scarily naiive.

"Accidentally" forgetting to lock the cubicle door properly.

What if it's not assault in the sense of grabbing a woman from behind and raping her?

What if it's wandering out of a stall with your cock out, making eye contact with women and smirking a bit 'Oops! Did I forget to zip up? Sorry!' Squeezing past you at the sink. Wanking noises from inside the stall - 'I was just having a shit officer!'

It's going to be all these things because predatory men find ways to stay on the right side of the law and harass women.

We know this. We just had a massive campaign in which women queued up to tell us about these sorts of behaviours. That's why we don't let people with dicks into the toilets.

Third spaces, separate but equal!
I don't understand the objection to this at all. Can you explain a little more? As male people are not female, and vice versa, so surely separate spaces are best all around? Transwomen get to feel safe, whilst women also remain safe.

Yes there is an element of 'othering' there. But males and females ARE different (hence segregation in the first place)

Unless you would wish to get rid of sex segregation altogether?

*dbs check

debbie what do you think about the end check? Why is it necessary to do background checks on people working with children if application of the law is a sufficient deterrent to sex offenders?

Third spaces, separate but equal! worked so well in the USA

If you're alluding to racial segregation that's a dishonest comparison. Women are the oppressed class here, not men.

Typical TA, aren't you?