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Which female MPs are not 'out' as part of the "TW are women" brigade?

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SonicBoomBoom · 14/12/2017 21:05

Can we have a quick list? Eg if someone has seen them comment on twitter or in TV interviews one way or the other. Or if they have remained resolutely silent on the issue.

I'm in Scotland so while I am still particularly interested in Labour and Cons at the moment, I'm also interested about Scottish MPs/MSPs, if anyone knows.

I nearly didn't post this thread because on one hand I don't want to draw attention to them. I think (if I was an MP) in the current climate, I would stay quiet too as a gender critical woman. It's just too dangerous to speak out. I respect that.

But on the other hand, I want to know who is for women, against women, or sitting quietly (which I will assume means for women, but scared). I want to know if I can still respect the ones I used to respect as feminists, eg Harriet Harman, Yvette Cooper etc. At the minute, I feel like I don't know who to trust.

Ps, I'm politically homeless at the moment. I see no party that is 'safe' for women and women's rights. So I'm not asking in a way to pit one party against the other or anything.

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TheRollingCrone · 19/12/2017 21:51

C'mon Women MP's. For fuck sake one of them has to have the guts to call this one. I know the atmosphere is hateful - but it will be like The Emperors New Clothes once it starts.

If you can't do it for adult women please do speak out for the children who are being guinea pigged and irreparably harmed.

WTAFisthisshit · 19/12/2017 17:54

Actually I'm completely disgusted that Maria Caulfield who has already been subjected to a lot of abuse has been publicly coerced into saying black is white. Its gaslighting on a national scale and the Labour Party should be very, very ashamed of themselves. (Not you Caroline, Jess, Jennifer and Liz).

WTAFisthisshit · 19/12/2017 17:52

dinosaursandtea

Oooh has she posted her response to questions such as 'how do you tell a man from a woman' 'what's a man' 'what's a woman' 'how are babies made' I must've missed that. Could you screenshot.

dinosaursandtea · 19/12/2017 17:48

Love Maria Caulfield's response! Totally agree with her.

WTAFisthisshit · 18/12/2017 22:57

Imalldonethanksyeah they said they wouldn't take it down on my say so! They said it was up to you if you wanted to report it Grin

Imalldonethanks · 18/12/2017 22:45

Fair enough WTAF.

I'll report it myself too as it's still showing.

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SonicBoomBoom · 18/12/2017 22:04

I think "I'm conflicted about it" is a refreshingly honest response. It demonstrates to me that she realises there are two conflicting demands from two vulnerable groups: one holds a lot more power but are claiming to be the most vulnerable EVER, the other are clearly more at risk but, despite being a larger group, much easier to dismiss than the first group. The path of least resistance.

Conflicted is good.

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WTAFisthisshit · 18/12/2017 15:11

*I'm all done' I've reported your post. Sorry. I'm not comfortable 'outing' people who haven't outed themselves. They could be 'got at'

Imalldonethanks · 18/12/2017 14:52

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WooWooWitchetyWoo · 18/12/2017 09:18

Does anyone know if Baroness Cox has said anything? She's been excellent in the past on trafficking, forced marriages, FGM, and definitely isn't afraid of saying things that others avoid.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 18/12/2017 09:17

Not Maria Caulfield, that's for sure. This is fucking disgrace

twitter.com/mariacaulfield/status/941753726850748418

BatShite · 18/12/2017 09:06

I've just looked at this and saw the response from @SophiaSmith222 posting a photo of an "all-woman" panel at Manchester University where every single women on the panel is a biological male!! She points out that, as they all use female names, when anyone looks back at the records of the meeting, it will look like these are the views of women.

Good lord, someone on there is arguing that female people and transwomen all have the same gender identity and this is how both are women. I have asked..I don't have a gender identity at all, does this mean I am not a woman?!

hipsterfun · 18/12/2017 03:38

A great bunch of lads.

Betti935 · 17/12/2017 23:27

This should (hopefully) be a direct link:

twitter.com/SophiaSmith222/status/942426941503819776

MaidOfStars · 17/12/2017 23:13

Can anyone link me to the poster the picture please?

MaidOfStars · 17/12/2017 23:10

Nope still can’t see the photo.

MaidOfStars · 17/12/2017 23:05

Got it. Sorry, technophobe.

MaidOfStars · 17/12/2017 23:03

Betti I’m Manchester but can’t get your link. Can you try again please?

Lemand · 17/12/2017 22:58

guardianfree the very fact that some transgender people don't understand the concern from women highlights that they literally do not understand what it is like to be a woman. Irony stacked upon irony.

Lemand · 17/12/2017 22:54

From reading the Liz Mcinnes tweet comments I think some of the people who believe that those apposing the GRA are transphobes believe that transgender people have had sexual realignment surgery, I don't think the self-ID changes are fully known or understood.

guardianfree · 17/12/2017 22:45

I love all the shouty comments on that twitter thread about how women have NO RIGHT to speak for or about transgender women as we have NO understanding of them!!!
I didn't know that an irony fail was a prerequisite to being trans Grin

Betti935 · 17/12/2017 22:31

Liz McInnes has just stuck her head above the parapet (and predictably got a load of abuse for it)
twitter.com/lizmcinnes_mp/status/942160540268400641

I've just looked at this and saw the response from @SophiaSmith222 posting a photo of an "all-woman" panel at Manchester University where every single women on the panel is a biological male!! She points out that, as they all use female names, when anyone looks back at the records of the meeting, it will look like these are the views of women.

QuentinSummers · 17/12/2017 22:13

He's a bit confused
He says
Firstly, women includes trans women already, what she's asking for is cis people to get a voice in a debate they have no place in.

It would be like asking a white person to be included in a debate on racism. Unhelpful, derailing and minimising to those effected.

This is really confusing. Is he really saying women should keep their traps shut because trans women are the only kind of women qualified to comment on womanhood?
How misogynistic

WTAFisthisshit · 17/12/2017 21:59

The Labour Party should be investigating HIM.

ArcheryAnnie · 17/12/2017 21:57

And he's accusing gender-crit feminists of abusing their children! Bloody hell, he's really going for Owen Jones' crown as "Baby-Faced Misogynist Of The Year", isn't he?