Woman kicked out of Labour's Women's Network party because her views might make a MALE feel unsafe

*Unfortunately Labour appear to have learned nothing from the last few years in politics, that when you reject and alienate a large group of voters they get together and vote somewhere else against you. And an unholy mess like Brexit happens.

The most depressing realisation I've had over this farce is that all the main political parties really seem to be this unable to think, predict and have basic common sense. It's like being run by the sixth form council with all the bitching, ideology and total lack of life experience.*

My thoughts exactly!

Unfortunately Labour appear to have learned nothing from the last few years in politics, that when you reject and alienate a large group of voters they get together and vote somewhere else against you. And an unholy mess like Brexit happens.

The most depressing realisation I've had over this farce is that all the main political parties really seem to be this unable to think, predict and have basic common sense. It's like being run by the sixth form council with all the bitching, ideology and total lack of life experience.

Got a feeling it’s just going to be women rooted out, the ones that bleed and bear children type of women. Just burn the witches unless they shut up and do as they’re told.

Does rooting out misogyny include misogyny from transactivists such as Adrie van de Meer (or Lily herself, with the Saville comments).

Does Lily remind you of the GFs we get here sometimes who know exactly what buttons to press, but stay just the right side of the line so MN doesn't delete them?

I almost get the impression Lily is trying to manufacture outrage against herself.

Yes, Lily is going pretty much non-stop on his 'silence the transphobes' schtick.

I’d need to know what really happened at that party between Venice and Lily to judge who (if anyone) acted inappropriately. However, Lily is delighted that it looks like Labour are going to be turning on sny members who don’t accept the transwomen are women dogma.

Pisacake yes it is disgusting what LM is retweeting. Surely the Labour Party have to act now??

Also it is in a different league to DrRadFem sending a message within a FB group.

Yes thanks I don't want to out myself but at one company I was able to bring in massive pay changes to equalise pay between women and men.

Up to 45 percent uplift in pay was not uncommon and one woman had her annual salary doubled.

Equal and similar roles undertaken by men and women but women had come from companies that didn't pay well and men had come to the business from working for companies that paid well. Recruitment was often done by asking people what they earned in the previous business and then adding an uplift for the new role. This is still how most people are recruited into businesses today so existing and historical sexism and discrepancies stay.

I have to say women were treated well at that business but I needed to have data to push these decisions through.

I was really well supported as a woman and it was a very diverse business.

Also what was really interesting was that women had not complained about pay they actually considered themselves paid well on an industry level. It was only by really analysing the data that I could see there were issues.

sorry dicksplash

So Lilly is retweeting some calling Venice Allan an asshole, and destroying her jewellery, publicly on Twitter.

But when he was called a dickhead on a private FB forum, this was horrific harassment, transphobic hate crime, etc.

newz2day that was amazing. Please think carefully about how you can use your power to help while not putting yourself at risk.
Issues about equal pay could be a good way to go, esp if you have access tp data and could model the impact in your company

Sorry that was quite a ramble but I am incensed and hope Lily Madigan reads this thread and someone with half a brain in the Labour Party reads it.

I am new to all this and writing this in the go but as a women who holds a very senior management position I have been reading up on what I can over the last year regarding gender and sex and the trans movement.

I can see how women are in for a really tough time of it around gender recognition.

I am often thinking more from a point of view as to how will I ensure companies are held to account on equal pay for example? Wtf about the census?

What the fuck I will do to resist businesses from taking away women only toilets. I am also incensed about the treatment of children in all this bullshit trans cult and interested in the role of pharmaceutical industry in all this.

I would normally support Labour and never conservative but I feel I can't support Labour now.

I want to go public but am afraid and that is shocking for me as I actually have power but don't want to risk the wrath of this trans cult.

What I have been doing is having conversations with people and letting them know how ludicrous it is and what women and children have to lose. I will try meet one on one with my MP.

As for the women being attscked at speakers corner and the ire directed towards Linda Bellos and Germaine Green - well it is frightening. I just wonder how they even have the gumption.

I am disgusted by the abusive messages that trans activists are directing to women on twitter.

Love Jenniferjames 😀😀

And dr radfem's personal details have been posted and someone asked if this was the contact details that Lily Madigan tweeted about which I think is a fair question.

Lily Madigan also retweeted a picture made by some punk mocking dr Radfem and rearranging her jewellery to read as asshole.

As for Lily Madigan being awful to her family I don't get her petulance but think she/ he is young and super entitled and so naively enjoying all her attention and maybe she/he is unwell. Her poor family and siblings especially I hope Lily Madigan is reading mumsnet.

Oh and I suffered 2 very bad tears during Labour I resisted the mesh stuff because I didn't trust the male consultant I was seeing - thank god and changed consultant to a female one. I don't see how Lily Madigan could have a hope in hell of supporting anyone who had become doubly incontinent as a result of childbirth or suffered period poverty or who was trying to breastfeed whole working full time.

Whereas Linda Bellos - I would love speak with her, her impressive record of public service. I mean didn't she initiate black history month and then consider how at the age of 70 (or thereabouts) she is no platformed or abused and accused of being a bigot. Blows my mind.

Is it just coincidence that Jennifer James is in Liverpool, Momentum stronghold?

You need to legally change your name before you can change it on PayPal, however Lily has been Lily for 3 years so I can't see the issue?

So as well as Biology 101, LM needs to study Maths 101

If the population is roughly 50/50 men and women, and 0.3-3% of the population is trans, including both transmen and transwomen, but 1in 3 women suffer violence or sexual abuse, how on earth does that tally up with LM's assertion that there are more transwomen than women who have been assaulted?

I mean 'I can't be arsed to change on my Paypal account before begging for money, but my mum is the evil deadnamer, right'

I just wonder why Liam thinks this is will attract sympathy.

I wonder if for Christmas he could stop publicly shaming his family (so far he has publicly slandered his mother, his brother, and basically said they are all a bunch of racists/homophobies/transphobes).

But no, it's all about Liam isn't it. Everyone has to validate him. No thought for anyone else

If I was Lily's Mum I'd be buying a book on the facts of life for Christmas. Usbourne do some good ones!

Go to your room, Lily!

Haha I've just posted that on another thread!

That poor, poor family.

Does Lily seriously still live at home? And she will still shame her mother so publicly on Twitter?

What a twat.

Jennifer is the woman in itsall link, strongly recommend everyone has a nose to see the "transphobia" the Labour party object to

Jennifer kicks butt. I hope she is reading this. It looks like the CLF picked the wrong person to intimidate on this issue.