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Tide Turning? Teacher sacked for misgendering a pupil to sue school

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MakeMisogynyAHateCrime · 11/12/2017 16:07

The Oxford teacher sacked for “misgendering” a pupil is to sue school for constructive dismissal and and discrimination.

[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-42312342]

Said teacher is a man. We have long said on here that men need to get involved in this for any progress to be made.

:In a letter to the head teacher he wrote: "As a Christian, I do not share your belief in the ideology of transgenderism.
"I do not believe that young children should be encouraged to self-select a 'gender' which may be different from their biological sex.
"Or that everyone at school should adjust their behaviour to accommodate such a 'transition'; or that people should be punished for lack of enthusiasm about it."
The maths teacher, who is also a pastor at the Christ Revelation church in Oxford, said he tried to balance his beliefs with the need to treat the pupil sensitively.
He claimed he did this by avoiding the use of gender-specific pronouns and by referring to the pupil by name.
The state academy school where he was employed did not respond to requests for a comment. It had previously said the matter was confidential.

Is the tide turning or will this end up classified as a religious story because said teacher is a Christian pastor?

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wildbluebelles · 11/12/2017 18:54

Agree with others. This man is not your ally. He flat out refused to use the preferred pronouns of a teenager. Regardless of what you feel about the trans agenda, that is a matter of common decency and manners.

He is in no way fighting for the rights of women. He is fighting on the basis that God says it is wrong for girls to dress as boys and want to be known as boys. I saw him on This Morning and he is also anti-gay and was with some lady who said being gay was harmful and could be cured through prayer. I believe she heads the organisation paying his legal fees.

So from me, it's a no. Happy for the existing laws to remain where someone can be diagnosed as suffering gender dysphoria and acquire a gender recognition certificate after a period of time. I do not believe the law needs to be extended.

Ereshkigal · 11/12/2017 18:50

I'd love to see a test case based on the falsifiability of gender identity theory. We know the science doesn't support the legislation. Or one based on human rights for women as a sex class as per the UN declaration.

Yes yes yes.

Cancerisacunt · 11/12/2017 17:40

He’s a fundamentalist Christian. I wouldn’t be pinning your hopes on him as an Allie.

GuardianLions · 11/12/2017 17:36

I think this might end up being a 'Christian' story because he says 'As a Christian, I do not share your belief in the ideology of transgenderism.'..

It weakens his point, because its not clear why transgender ideology opposes Christian belief in particular, and emphasising his religious objections could be seen more as a stepping stone to legally opposing homosexuality.

He could have just said he doesn't believe in the ideology of transgenderism and doesn't believe that young children should be encouraged to self-select a 'gender' which may be different from their biological sex, or that everyone at school should adjust their behaviour to accommodate such a 'transition'; or that people should be punished for lack of enthusiasm about it.

All perfectly acceptable and defending this position would make it more of a landmark imo.

BrandNewHouse · 11/12/2017 16:50

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Terrylene · 11/12/2017 16:47

His resume says he grew up at a mennonite bible camp in Canada.

I am sure they have the best of intentions, but will be hung out to dry.

RancidOldHag · 11/12/2017 16:39

I think this would be treated in exactly the same way as a Christian teacher refusing to support homosexual pupils.

MakeMisogynyAHateCrime · 11/12/2017 16:37

I agree it doesn’t make for a strong test case and equally it could a sexist move on his part - who know? However I wonder if it will bring about wider public debate and more coverage of trans topics from the “other” side? Lots of people have no clue whatsoever that this is going on and would be very surprised that a teacher could be sacked for a slip of the tongue (who knows if that is the full story but that’s how the press is presenting it, largely). This could expose a lot of what is going on with the trans activists.

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GuardianLions · 11/12/2017 16:33

Shame it is a male teacher and a trans identifying female - perhaps he is just sexist and likes reminding her that she can't identify into male privilege.

I'd like to see trans identifying males (who take the piss) being challenged for insulting and appropriating women... if only..

LangCleg · 11/12/2017 16:33

To be honest, I'm not keen on test cases being based on religious rights to exemptions, as it seems this one will be. It's no more progressive than the transactivist agenda.

I'd love to see a test case based on the falsifiability of gender identity theory. We know the science doesn't support the legislation. Or one based on human rights for women as a sex class as per the UN declaration. Anything but religion.

VivaLeBeaver · 11/12/2017 16:16

What I think is crazy about this is that apparently the school are saying the teacher used the child’s preferred name. Which you would think is good? But no, they’re saying the teacher should have used the preferred pronoun and is in trouble for calling the kid by their name. Teacher says he did mistakenly misgender the kid occasionally.

Parents of the kid aren’t even bothered about the alleged misgendering. They say they thought the teacher was picking on the kid, more dentations, etc. That has been disproved. Of course if there’s a suggestion the teacher was picking in the kid for being trans then that’s very bad, but the school have found the teacher not guilty of that themselves.

Obviously there may be more to the story.

BlackEyedKid · 11/12/2017 16:15

The outcome will be interesting.

Usually religion trumps everything

InfiniteSheldon · 11/12/2017 16:12

This is very interesting, until recently I 100% supported anyone rights to use their chosen pronouns , now I am starting to see it as the, admittedly very thin, edge to a wedge that ends in an erosion of our hard won rights and possibly total denial of our actual womanhood.

MakeMisogynyAHateCrime · 11/12/2017 16:08

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-42312342

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