Do women openly negate and demean men?

Women "Man bashing" consists of men being moaned about online.

Men "women bashing" means 1 in 4 women suffer DV, 2 women are murdered a week and 1 in 5 are sexually assaulted.

I know which one I'd rather put a stop to

OK, who turned on the MRA bat signal?

I'm fine with anti-feminists not wanting to participate in feminism. Seems like a natural filtering process really, and saves the rest of us from having to deal with their whataboutery as often.

Oh buggery

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Most women don’t but this section of MN is full of anti male bigotry and misandry. The nasty misandry is why so many people regard feminism as toxic and don’t identify with it.

Oh, do fuck off, there's a love.

And for info... we don't want equality, we want liberation. Hope that clarifies feminism to the zombies.

Zombie spam, to boot.

Can't resist mentioning, though, that I have a tendency to refer to XH as "him no longer indoors".

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Do you mean how women (don't) make father-in-law jokes, or how women (don't) make jokes about how bad men are at parking cars? Or do you mean when women (don't) refer to their partners as "him indoors"?

Or do you mean how women (don't) expect men to make the tea instead of making important business or policy decisions?

I don't really get this comment.

I've found women to generally be much more snarky/mean than men which is likely why the majority of women would rather have a male boss when surveyed. And regarding business decisions and making tea, women my age tend to outearn men so can't be making too many cuppas unless they're making them in the office.

Although to be fair the majority of people from both sexes that I encounter in real life are decent people.

Margaret Atwood observed in her 1982 lecture "Writing the Male Character":

"Why do men feel threatened by women? ... They're afraid women will laugh at them... Why do women feel threatened by men? They're afraid of being killed".

Why exactly are we meant to care about what men think when it comes to feminism? It's not like men (as a whole) were ever in our side when we were being nice and polite and submissive to them was it?

I don't think I've ever heard a man worry about what women will think about men, if they keep raping, oppressing and murdering us.

OP wrote - "Do women openly negate and demean men?"

Do you mean how women (don't) make father-in-law jokes, or how women (don't) make jokes about how bad men are at parking cars? Or do you mean when women (don't) refer to their partners as "him indoors"?

Or do you mean how women (don't) expect men to make the tea instead of making important business or policy decisions?

I do definitely think it's at risk of not being taken seriously thanks to bad experiences and man bashing.
Some people do take it a little too far, almost as if they forget we want equality not superiority x

This is the most thread, but reminds me I'm considering Inigo as a baby name (Jones not M) ...

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Thank you!

With double standards you will always have a sense of victimhood amongst those getting on the receiving end (men) which turns into resentment and hatred

What double standards are you thinking of?

The one where no matter how many women a man sleeps with he will never be called a slut?

Or the one where if he is a victim of sexual assault the default position is he is believed until proven otherwise?

Man (I presume) asks if feminists are mean to men.

Women say no.
Man turns up and insults men.

Brilliant.

Stig I’m grateful you’ve been put off the feminist movement. You would certainly only achieve to devalue it with your arrogant, uneducated opinions. I’m sure the weakness you’ve implied yourself by being turned off an equality movement by the words of a few will mean us women aren’t missing anything.

OP it works both ways. You will always have hostility from both sexes until we actually have equality. I find the tit -for-tat that some people try to impose & ‘positive discrimination’ far more dangerous to the cause than any man/woman hating. These kind of double standards cause so much resentment between the sexes. With double standards you will always have a sense of victimhood amongst those getting on the receiving end (men) which turns into resentment and hatred. It’s the same principle with Race as well. If you want equality treat everyone equally.

So in a thread blaming feminists for saying mean things about men the only person to say mean things about men is one of the people accusing the feminists. But yeah, it's definitely the feminists and not projection or straight lies.

If people cry tears because it's pointed it how men oppress, beat, rape and sexual assault women at alarming rates, frankly they can fuck off.

How exactly do we talk about liberating women from oppression without discussing how it's men who have made women oppressed?

If there is one thing i have learnt in mumsnet

Its not to get into a debate with lass over the meaning of words

Like many others on this board lass knows her shit

(I'm fucking terrified....i only use really basic words that i know the meaning of whenever i repy to lass )

If you say so OP. I suppose Humpty Dumpty wise words can mean whatever the speaker thinks. What your opening post describes is women denigrating men.

Negate.
make ineffective; nullify.
"alcohol negates the effects of the drug"
synonyms: invalidate, nullify, render null and void, render invalid, make ineffective, neutralize, cancel (out); undo, reverse, annul, void, revoke, rescind, abrogate, repeal, retract, countermand, overrule, overturn; avoid
"legislators immediately took steps to negate the effects of the Court's ruling"

verb: nullify; 3rd person present: nullifies; past tense: nullified; past participle: nullified; gerund or present participle: nullifying
make legally null and void; invalidate.
"judges were unwilling to nullify government decisions"
synonyms: annul, declare null and void, render null and void, void, invalidate, render invalid; More
repeal, reverse, rescind, revoke, set aside, cancel, abolish, undo, abrogate;
countermand, veto, dissolve, cast aside, do away with, bring to an end, terminate, quash, obliterate;
vacate;
archaicrecall;
raredisannul
"the ANC warned that it would nullify the legislation"

@Stig
"In my original post I mentioned men who identify as feminists to get laid."
Stig, what a terrible misandrist you are!
You don't think much of women and you think even less of men accusing them of only agreeing with feminists due to ulterior motives, they are only after one thing, sex.