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Who are the young feminists?

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GrimDamnFanjo · 09/12/2017 16:11

Soooo at 16 I was already defining myself as a radical feminist and by the end of university I'd already read the usual books.
I now have two girls, the eldest is 18 and studying politics at university. I'd like to buy her a couple of accessible books about feminism, partly for her to read around her studies.
Anything from my generation seems to be termed Terfy (I know!), but I don't really know who are the rad fems for the younger generation? Are there any?

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GrowlingJaguar · 11/12/2017 19:05

I'd recommend Raquel Rosario Sanchez. She's written a number of articles for Feminist Current.

pigeondujour · 10/12/2017 19:51

As a man

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DN4GeekinDerby · 10/12/2017 18:15

Feminism for Teenagers by Sophie Grillet I think is a pretty good introduction though an 18 year old at uni might find that title a big young, it does cover quite a bit in an accessible way, has a good reading list bibliography in the back, and not heavy so wouldn't bother her studies.

JudgementalSquirrel · 10/12/2017 17:55

What does SJW stand for?

FlaviaAlbia · 10/12/2017 17:50

Another Cordelia Fine book - Testosterone Rex

Meghan Murphy of Feminist Current and Glosswitch who writes for a wide range of places are young.

Writersblock2 · 10/12/2017 17:49

Anything by Gail Dines, Julie Bindle or Robert Jensen gets my vote

StigOfThePlump · 10/12/2017 17:42

I don't see where TERFS come into this.

StigOfThePlump · 10/12/2017 17:41

I'm not trying to be goady but compare people like Katie Hopkins/Ann Coulter/Lauren Southern to the people you see at the typical activist event - antifas etc. The aforementioned three are pretty obnoxious people who I'd probably find a bit irritating IRL, but they are coherent, can argue well, and are the sort of people who would probably do well in business.

Then contrast them to the purple haired shouty people you see at so many leftist events (the infamous 'Big Red', the people at the Warren Powell protest). These people actually look a bit unhinged to me and not the sort of person you'd see in most professional environments.

I like to think (hope) that the left have been misrepresented but even if they have it's a big problem for their credibility! Despite what many here likely think, I really want equality for women. However, I just can't help but shake my head and roll my eyes at many of the 'SJW' types. It sounds harsh to say but I really think many people feel this way, hence women being so loath to identify as 'feminists'.

FlaviaAlbia · 10/12/2017 17:33

If you're going to try to find rad fems of any age that couldn't be accused of being TERFy I think you're going to have a long search.

MrGHardy · 10/12/2017 17:29

StigOfThePlump that's because these days "feminists" are just SJWs.

StigOfThePlump · 10/12/2017 17:25

Maybe this is me adding 2+2 to make 5, but I feel that conservative feminists are a far cry from leftist ones and this is maybe what I'm describing.

I may be talking crap, but it seems to me that right wing women tend to veer more towards kicking ass and beating society at it's own game than whinging for the rules to be changed.

StigOfThePlump · 10/12/2017 17:21

I remember a speech in which she was talking about how feminists used to break boundaries and how they had an indomitable spirit, and how this was a far cry from today's fragile feminists who need safe spaces and get triggered at the smallest things/opinions.

It was harsh but I couldn't help agree with some of it. I used to work in a fairly senior office job and most of my colleagues were female. I respected these women for being strong and taking no shit, but they weren't the victim types I see so often. A different type of feminist perhaps.

QuentinSummers · 10/12/2017 16:47

Christina Hoff Sommers isn't a feminist. She might call herself one but her work is far too focussed on men and men's rights to be classed as what most people understand feminism to be (e.g. about women).
I'm sure men find Hoff Sommers a lot more palatable however.

StigOfThePlump · 10/12/2017 16:37

Hoff

StigOfThePlump · 10/12/2017 16:37

As a man I find myself agreeing a lot more with the earlier feminists than with the current wave. For example, I'd be more inclined to agree with Christina Hogg Sommers than Misandry Mermaid or Jessica Valenti.

LivingInTheSeventies · 10/12/2017 07:03

Men explain things to me is on my wishlist.

Thermostatpolice · 10/12/2017 06:47

I dunno, Grinch goes on to say that the priority should be preserving women's rights and empowering women because systematic failures are being disguised. Which does make leg shaving seem trivial in comparison I guess. And also sounds a bit second wavy to me. Although I agree that minimising sex-based oppression as creating a victim profile is quite 3rd wave.

Maybe I'm a bit hard of reading comprehension today (quite possible, been up since 4). Grinch, care to clarify?

DixieFlatline · 10/12/2017 06:12

I read RestingGrinchFace's comment as a critique of 3rd wave.

But surely third wavers think leg shaving is empowering and nothing bad that happens is due to our biological sex...

Thermostatpolice · 10/12/2017 05:26

I read RestingGrinchFace's comment as a critique of 3rd wave.

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Hermagsjesty · 10/12/2017 00:32

Animal by Sara Pascoe is a really good read for young women with feminist themes.

Duffmcstockings · 10/12/2017 00:27

I started with Caitlin Moran, and Good Night stories for Rebel Girls, for dd (15) it’s not perfect, they still crave male attention. But they are courios, and will see through it eventually

YetAnotherSpartacus · 10/12/2017 00:15

Grim - I think that the difference between 'our' generation and your daughters is that our feminism came from within. We were feminists because we were personally aware of, or experienced, injustice because we were women. As someone said above, mainstream media and the internet has done a snow job on girls now so that a lot of what we saw as oppression (women reduced to tits on P.3, being expected to be a lady in the living room and a whore in the bedroom, unrealistic expectations around beauty etc.) has been sold to girls as being about empowerment, choice and indeed 'feminism'. I guess what we experienced was a form of identity politics, but consciousness-raising and the idea that the personal is politically allowed us to expand these horizons and argue for systemic and legal change, etc. (I think we were less successful in the private sphere, but that's another topic). What I am getting at is that I'm not sure a book per se will work where your daughter appears not to have yet 'peaked' (as they say these days) about the inadequacy and idiocy of modern fun-feminism. Grinch's post above is illustrative of this. Clearly, she understands very little about second-wave feminism and thinks it's all irrelevant. I think the time to act as it were (provide support while inwardly thinking 'told you so' :)) is when something triggers her to question. I don't think you can necessarily trigger the questioning. Having said that, a couple of good books on feminism can't hurt.

GrimDamnFanjo · 09/12/2017 23:25

Resting I'm not encouraging anything - just asking for some good starters that could help her figure out feminism for herself - while avoiding all the crappy "we're all equal now and gender rulez" crap.

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