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A quick question on the human rights currently denied to trans identifying people

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/12/2017 15:29

I keep seeing that trans identifying people are fighting for their human rights - could someone explain to me which human rights are currently being denied to them (in the UK) as I have been unable to find this out.

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DublinBlowin · 09/12/2017 16:23

ravingroo

there have been instances where trans women were raped in male prisons, and where trans men attacked women

Can you link to anything supporting those assertions? Has this happened in the UK? I have never heard either although I know there are a number of examples of trans identified males having sex with women in women’s prisons.

pisacake · 09/12/2017 16:22

"It’s a human right for trans women to have access to women’s space (same for trans men): men are not the same as trans women"

Don't be bloody silly.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/12/2017 16:19

It’s a human right for trans women to have access to women’s space (same for trans men): men are not the same as trans women.

Why? "Transwomen" are not women - they are transwomen with everything that entails - surely if the y don't want to be in men's spaces they should create their own spaces? Men are the same as transwomen in terms of sex - which is the only characteristic that women's spaces (generally) discriminate on.

Fact is trans people are being discriminated, as are non-white people

I'm sure this is true, but it is currently against the law, I'm not sure how this can be further strengthened. As far as I can see, in law, trans identifying people have the same rights as everyone else?

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RavingRoo · 09/12/2017 16:14

It’s a human right for trans women to have access to women’s space (same for trans men): men are not the same as trans women.

Also, I have noted the organisations that discriminate despite the law. If you are going to quote do it properly and not in bits to validate your own assumptions.

Fact is trans people are being discriminated, as are non-white people, and being a black trans person makes you discriminated against on 2 counts!

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/12/2017 16:10

°Trans men and women can still be put into their birth sex prisons. This results in nastiness all around - for example, there have been instances where trans women were raped in male prisons, and where trans men attacked women^

My under that there was already considerable guidance around this, which usually works "in favour" of trans identifying people.

There is also the fact that some organisations are still discriminating against having trans employees despite anti-discrimination legislation

But gender reassignment (including before any transitioning takes place) is already a protected characteristic?

still have access to women's spaces and roles

Is it a human right to have access to women's spaces? Men don't have access to (some) women's spaces.

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RavingRoo · 09/12/2017 16:04

Trans men and women can still be put into their birth sex prisons. This results in nastiness all around - for example, there have been instances where trans women were raped in male prisons, and where trans men attacked women.

There is also the fact that some organisations are still discriminating against having trans employees despite anti-discrimination legislation - e.g faith schools, the army / miliary, GCHQ etc. Some faith schools do it even though being transgender is an accepted part of their religion! Until 2014 trans people had to divorce or annual their marriages to obtain a Gender recognition certificate - thank God that’s changed, but imagine this hurt the community quite a bit.

abouttimeforanotherone · 09/12/2017 16:03

From having read numerous threads on here, it seems that they want the right to have more rights than anyone else...

HermioneWeasley · 09/12/2017 16:03

None. They want the right to compel other people to agree with them and be able to do whatever they want. This is not a human rights violation. Look at the pile on jack Monroe when she said that Lily Madigan wasn’t beyond criticism becaus he’s trans - she was sent endless messages telling her to kill herself. Nice.

FattyCat · 09/12/2017 15:55

None really. Being Trans is already a protected characteristic under the equalities act.

What they are campaigning for is to self identify as women , without having to take hormones or have surgery, and still have access to women's spaces and roles. For e.g. the current "willies in Topshop changing rooms" debate.

Problem is that what this is actually an erosion of hard fought for women's rights.

I'm knackered so apologies if post makes no sense at all

pisacake · 09/12/2017 15:55

I think it's more a case of a lot of TRA being the sort of wanker who would have complained about black one-legged lesbians getting extra privileges. Now they have worked out a way to turn that round and identify as oppressed, and they are milking it for all its worth. Being total narcissists.