Taylor Swift positioned as Time Person of the Year?

"He thought he would win because it the picture it looks like she 'let him do it'"

I don't think that at all but there you go.

He thought he would win because it the picture it looks like she 'let him do it'. That she was totally OK with it, just because she didn't turn around and go 'what the FUCK are you doing, get your disgusting hands off my ass' and make a big scene in front of fans who were queuing to see her.

Well he thought wrong didn't he. Prick.

I was completely stunned when I saw there was an actual photo and he went ahead and sued her. What his lawyer said in his defence is quite telling in terms of the ridiculous lengths men will go to justify this kind of behaviour.

Exactly invisible. The gall of the man - suing her! Filthy perve.

Plus it's not even like Swift chose to make this into a court matter, she dealt with it at the time by making a private complaint to his employer (who he was representing at the event), they took the decision to fire him, she didn't talk about it publically at the time or since until he decided to sue Swift, making the whole thing in the public eye and a matter for the courts. This isn't nasty Taylor dragging a man through the courts for 'just' pinching her arse, she just refuse to settle nicely (as she was expected too) and counter sued. Frankly, he was the one who made this a public event.

He badly misjudged her that first night by assuming she wouldn't complain to his boss about his behaviour, then misjudged again that she would just want to pay him off to avoid "embarrassment".

This is what she did that was so wonderful, she decided that actually, the person who should be embarrassed about a sexual assault, is the one who committed it.

Exactly. Because it’s a crime every fucking time and maybe when the courts and police came to a crushing halt it might prove that pussys are being grabbed all the time and there just isn’t the fucking time to report it.

Parsley "Imagine if it went to court every time a bottom got touched against the wishes of the bottom.
Yes fucking imagine it! "

IKR!!!! Wouldn't that be brilliant?

I hate that some people think arse grabbing is just "oh well, what can you do".

I had this conversation with my Mum. A man “just” touched her bottom. Imagine if it went to court every time a bottom got touched against the wishes of the bottom.
Yes fucking imagine it!
Look at the way Taylor Swift is treated. By you op! She is not worthy because she doesn’t meet your standards. Thank goodness you are not the judge of who is worthy.

I loved what she said in court - something like not allowing the lawyer or the bloke suing her to make her think any of what happened was her fault.

I also like what she says about how if a woman serially dates she becomes the focus of negative attention but if a man does the same he is classed as a play boy and seen in a more positive light.

Got to say I’m very much team taylor on this. Putting her on the cover was also bound to be a way to attract more interest in the magazine which with the stories involved can only be a good thing.

thanks Luminaries

I'm pleasantly surprised that anyone's boss allowed them to display these - though in fairness, I think my current one would.

Didn’t know about the post it signs - love it

link to story about supportive post it notes

He thought he was entitled to inappropriately touch Taylor.and he did

Yes.yes.yes.the perpetrator inherent expectation and experience of male power
He thought he was entitled to inappropriately tough Taylor.and he did
And Taylor Swift stood up,spoke out,That was great.she used her prominence to speak up

I'm glad they were allowed to do that, I thought they'd get told off for not being neutral.

My guess is they didn't work for the court.

They did it with post-it notes stuck on the windows.

That’s a good point. Not only did he feel entitled to grab her arse . He felt entitled to grab the arse of a woman who was famous. If power is a determinant in this, he still felt more powerful than a rich and famous influential woman.

Exactly this. Exactly.

Just like Weinstein. Famous, rich, powerful women, but still not as powerful as him. Because they're just women.

I dont particularly like Taylor Swifts music or have that much interest in her but I dont really get your point OP? She did do a brave thing and spoke up. Its not easy to do that in her position where its important for her to remain neutral and universally liked essentially by never really saying anything political. She stepped outside of that and put herself in the line of fire because she decided to do the right thing and speak plainly about it so that all her young fans would know that that type of behaviour wasnt acceptable.

Of course there are hundreds of people far braver than Taylor Swift but what has that got to do with it? Shes someone young girls look up to and so I think it was good to include her on this list because that means young girls will pay attention to the issues raised by the people on that list.

TheLuminaries "And all the young female workers in the office across from the Court put up supportive signs for her everyday, because they felt solidarity with what young women have to put up with on a daily basis."

did they? I'm glad they were allowed to do that, I thought they'd get told off for not being neutral.

And all the young female workers in the office across from the Court put up supportive signs for her everyday, because they felt solidarity with what young women have to put up with on a daily basis. Those young women felt she was fighting for their rights to bodily autonomy by standing up for her own. That is how feminism works - a sense of female solidarity where one young woman can leverage her privileged position to fly the flag to inspire all women.

Agree with thehairthebod post,Taylor Swift does demonstrate good qualities
And yes she pushed back on that projected poor man lost his job.good on her
Well that man shouldn’t assault women and he’d not lose his job

Yes Datun, he went after her because although she has way more money and fame than him, she is still a woman, so he thought he would win.

I do think TS deserves to be there actually. She is kind of unique in the way that she is a role model for young teens. She doesn't claim that taking her clothes off, writhing around in spaghetti or balancing a champagne bottle on her photoshopped arse are 'empowering' feminist acts. She is open about having lots of relationships and writes about them in her songs. She publicly exposes sleaze bags who touch her without her consent.

Now yes, the reason that she is able to do those things is because of her position. Wealthy, white, supportive people around her, already very successful before she became a mainstream pop star. But none of those things are things to be ashamed of, she is who she is, and she could still choose the 'easier' way which would be to the wholesome meek, coy young female role model who doesn't question anything, never 'tells' about her relationships, never fights back when challenged.

I thought her case against that DJ or whoever he was was really important. Like it or not TS is a huge role model and for them to see her stand up that way (and shout down those who said 'why didn't you say anything at the time blah blah blah') in a culture where women are usually portrayed as the temptresses that the poor men just cannot help themselves but grope, was a big deal actually. When she was asked how she felt about the fact the DJ had lost his job said:

'I am not going to allow your client make me feel like it anyway it's my fault because it isn't. I don't know him, but what he did was despicable.'

Those words are really powerful.

but then maybe the slimeball only tried to sue her because of who she is and how wealthy she is

That’s a good point. Not only did he feel entitled to grab her arse . He felt entitled to grab the arse of a woman who was famous. If power is a determinant in this, he still felt more powerful than a rich and famous influential woman.

He was then of the opinion that his power would extend to the court, despite a photograph of him in action, and witnesses! He was infuriated that his disgraceful behaviour was not simply accepted by all and sundry.

TS didn’t try to get him fired, as far as I remember. She told the radio station what he had done, and they fired him of their own volition.

A recourse that, sadly, most women simply do not have.

It was Taylor’s very position that was pivotal in the entire issue as, additionally, he would not have considered suing someone with no money.

He met his match in Taylor, because, on this occasion his power didn’t work.

It’s a very telling indictment.

It shows exactly how the odds are stacked against women. How far Taylor to go to get the smallest justice.

And I, for one, am very grateful that she did.

OP "Speaking out is inherently about rocking your own boat: it's about your employer, your friend's husband, a member of your own family. Whilst it's someone else that was abusive, in that moment before you speak, all is calm. ...and no, TS is not representative of that dynamic."

well, no. But I'm certainly not going public with my story of harassment because of all the things you said. So I'm really glad TS can do it and that might make my employer think different about how they handle things.

OP would you have objected to any other woman of equivalent success and fortune being featured on the cover?

I was thinking, imagine if she'd lost the case. The papers would have been full of "Taylor Swift LIED to get me fired from my job" and so on. I It would have been grim.

And why you are acting like TS is the only one on the cover? And don't forget how many people wouldn't want to be in that article.