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Charles / Charlotte Clymer

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MrGHardy · 01/12/2017 00:01

twitter.com/cmclymer/status/936075166072950784

Apparently when you tell people you've felt like a woman for 20 years, everyone forgets you're a misogynist and downright arsehole.

www.huffingtonpost.ca/darlena-cunha/men-feminism_b_3275303.html

This got my eye, too:

twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/936084084228362240

Random "oh thank you for being soooooo brave you poor soul" by Alyssa Milano, she has over 3 million followers. She kick started #metoo. And she supports a man known for harassing women, now as a woman. What. The. Fuck. Is. Going. On?

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GuardianLions · 01/12/2017 13:31

Yes it is called Transhumanism

"Transhumanist thinkers study the potential benefits and dangers of emerging technologies that could overcome fundamental human limitations as well as ethical[3] limitations of using such technologies.[4] The most common transhumanist thesis is that human beings may eventually be able to transform themselves into different beings with abilities so greatly expanded from the natural condition as to merit the label of posthuman beings.[2]" *

I have also had conversations with people in the industry (fairly spectrum-y/geeky) who actually believe this.

*Bold mine

GuardianLions · 01/12/2017 13:24

Someone I am close to has a former colleague who moved to become a leader in tech in silicone valley. I think he was talking about something like 'transhuman' or something weird like that ... let me see if I can find out the word

Datun · 01/12/2017 12:50

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed

Totally agree. That’s exactly how it was explained to me.

Also, the ease with which one can switch avatars. I don’t game, but I have read several accounts from men whose avatar is female and they get genuinely emeshed in that identity.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 01/12/2017 12:41

Datun, I can see what you mean. I've read about a connection too, and working in tech, I encountered more people with autism, than I think would be found in other fields. No transwomen though, not sure why. I've only come across one or two transwomen gaming, also not sure why. Maybe they detect my terfiness and avoid me.

I do think the link between tech and autism is understandable though. It's an area where someone who struggles with social interactions and nuance can still have a successful career because they don't necessarily need to work with people on a daily basis, and, in coding at least, there is little ambiguity. Code is either right or wrong, which I can seen would be appealing to someone who sees the world in binary terms. I suppose that could be the reasoning behind such people deciding they must be trans. It's if/else thinking. If: people who like x are men and I like x I must be a man. Else: I don't like x therefore I must not be a man.

Datun · 01/12/2017 12:08

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed

Lol. I wasn’t suggesting it was cause-and-effect, really.

But there are an extraordinary number of transwomen who game. It’s over represented.

Autism, gaming, being in tech, a penchant for anime. The number of times these things come up make it difficult to ignore.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 01/12/2017 11:08

Yes, too bad all the thousands of women suffering rape, FGM and other atrocities because of their female biology can't just be "male when required".

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 01/12/2017 10:27

How much money would you bet he won't be 'trans' in 10 years?

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 01/12/2017 10:13

To be fair, Datun, I spent my formative years gaming, I'm still in touch with reality. The problem here is massive amounts of misogyny, entitlement and privilege, not too many evenings spent trying to beat end of level baddies.

Nuffaluff · 01/12/2017 09:59

So self- absorbed. I simply cannot imagine feeling the need to write that many tweets about myself. Attention seeking in the extreme.

Datun · 01/12/2017 09:58

Being “male” when required. Just get by.

It’s like a bloody game to these people. Little wonder that most spent their formative years gaming.

It’s just another avatar.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 01/12/2017 09:55

He is taking the piss!

I have lived as a “genderqueer” person for three years because I felt it was the closest I could get to authenticity while still being able to answer those questions comfortably. All I needed was the room to do some code switching. Being “male” when required. Just get by.

Just like any woman then. I mean, com' on, ladies, who hasn't been male when required, just get by? I do it all. the. time. Today, I slipped on a pair of jeans and went to work as Steve. It's great! I get paid more, no one doubts my ability to do my job, and I face zero sexual harassment. Then when I get home, I pop my tiara on and it's back to being silly, airheaded Saskia.

GuardianLions · 01/12/2017 08:22

That bloke is taking the piss. The tiara ffs.

PricklyBall · 01/12/2017 08:15

RogueBiscuit's cartoon from the Osbourne thread seems appropriate here, so I shall steal it...

Charles / Charlotte Clymer
QuentinSummers · 01/12/2017 08:09

That "coming out" thread was very predictable. Also, I get the impression this might be a slow transition, like Danielle Muscato.
He did use the word "comfortability" which made me chuckle.

SeaWitchly · 01/12/2017 07:21

Only now feminist 'Peter McGowan' would wear a tiara, declare himself a woman and change his name to 'Peta'... to rapturous applause regarding his 'bravery' in 'choosing to live as his authentic self' or somesuch bullshit whilst still retaining his sense of male superiority and privilege.

SeaWitchly · 01/12/2017 07:15

www.theonion.com/man-finally-put-in-charge-of-struggling-feminist-moveme-1819569515

Charles Clymer 'feminist leader' reminds me of the spoof article above.
I remember when I first read it and laughed and thought it was a witty take on 'mansplaining', never thought for one second we would see the like in reality Hmm

ferntwist · 01/12/2017 02:15

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pisacake · 01/12/2017 01:43

It's 250 pages and I haven't read it, but it does appear to argue that right-wing women subordinate themselves. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Dworkin#Right-Wing_Women

ferntwist · 01/12/2017 01:26

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 01/12/2017 01:17

The Dworkin article referring to right wing women. I haven't read it so possibly the title is not what it was about.

DJBaggySmalls · 01/12/2017 01:12

Where did I say I 'blame' right wing women, Lass?

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 01/12/2017 00:45

Read Andrea Dworkin, Right Wing Women. It predicts the current trends

I haven't read it but why are you blaming right wing women. His followers include Connie Schulz who has impeccable Democratic credentials.

ferntwist · 01/12/2017 00:34

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pisacake · 01/12/2017 00:21

I have no idea.

He literally just puts a tiara on and says 'I'm a woman now' (but in patronising 40-tweet-form), and literally thousands of people come to congratulate him on his bravery, as if this crap will actually damage his career.

ferntwist · 01/12/2017 00:19

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