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Question about equality

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wnsdkfl · 29/11/2017 21:19

For a long time, me and my friend used to discuss about the women's rights for a long time. Being the devil's advocate, I would try to prolong the talk for arguments' sake. But then, it slowly developed into a solid argument (in my opinion). Now I am curious what you all think about my thoughts. If you're willing, can we start a civil discussion?

There are many problems that females face, and there are many problems that males face. Many major groups of rights activists easily overlook, ignore, and deny the other side’s problems and arguments and continue to press on their side of the argument. This happens because of their personal benefit. It is convenient for them (let it be males or females) to have more rights in the future, so the rights activists continue to struggle to this day. I believe that it is necessary for people to open up and reach an agreement that men and women are to be equal, and that they all are entitled to a power to reach an agreement in deciding the distribution of the rights, merits, and responsibilities within the society.

If people want to argue that men and women have the same capabilities, then should the responsibilities of each sex be distributed 50% each? If so, should 50% of the fathers in child custody issues be given a chance to take care of the baby? Should there be no required economic support from the fathers’ side with the assumptions that women are equally capable?

For the wage difference between males and females, is it appropriate to take the maternity leave and other vacancy of the working forces due to some other inevitable female burdens into account when we look into their wages? If so, do we pay them for their times away from work as well? If not, how will you take this approach?

What is the limit that you all are comfortable to set and say that “this is equal” to everyone? Is your ideals for equality something that is entirely 50:50, or something that is derived from each sex’s “roles” within the society? Is it a mix of both? Or is it something entirely different? Do women need more rights over men because in the past, it was other way around? I am very curious.

When confronting these questions, it is very important to question yourself if you are arguing for sake of your own convenience. If you are going to make an emotional appeal for your argument, take into account what the opposite sex will go through emotionally when something similar happens to them. If you are going to make a statistical report, question the source’s biasness from their research, as it is easy to remove the parts that are inconvenient for them and still tell the truth. It will be truly hard to argue in a impartial manner.

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Ginmakesitallok · 29/11/2017 22:25

A caramel log. Now that's a good biscuit.

wnsdkfl · 29/11/2017 22:24

Thank you DJBaggySmalls for your proper response. I am from Korea and that place lacks the 50:50 child custody.
I was basing off part of my questions because Korean government has already established a Ministry of the Gender Equality and Family, and despite what the name says, it has been bombarded with issues and complaints of inequality and being too powerful.

Also, for those who have already disagreed with the questions, I am asking this after doing research on both side's argument.
Of course I am not questioning the fact that issues like women being murdered by their male partners are happening. However, the current focus from the media gathers people's attentions to the issues that females have a lot more than the issues that males have and therefore not as much effort goes into improving the other gender's problems. Other than that, there is nothing wrong with improving our safety.

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Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:22

annadale

Yeah like a sandwich...i just remember them being really lemony

MrsDoylesBodybags · 29/11/2017 22:22

And now I want a Tunnocks Teacake too

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:21

I do like a nice teacake

I have to eat the chocolate off first

annandale · 29/11/2017 22:21

Like a sandwich Rufus? IIRC the puffy bit wasn't as nice as it should have been which let them down a bit.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:20

I bought some lemon puffs today, hadn't seen them in ages, and just noticed them in waitrose. BUT...they are not the same! They use to be golden-dark brown, with really puffy biscuit, almost like puff pastry, and the filling was really lemony. Now they are like to ordinary biscuits, sandwiched together with a bland, over-sweet, mildly lemon paste.

Just found this on mumsnet Grin

birdsdestiny · 29/11/2017 22:19

I know they are not biscuits but wispas are bloody tiny these days.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:19

Yes lass

Lemon puffs big ? Do they still do them?

Fucking obvious name!!! Doh!!!

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 29/11/2017 22:17

Yes and they were slightly sticky.

You can't beat a Tunnock's tea cake.

BigDeskBob · 29/11/2017 22:17

Lemon puffs? They are dh favourites.

SonicBoomBoom · 29/11/2017 22:16

🍩

Chocolate doughnut for you, Quentin.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:16

Or puffy

It might have been something puff or puffs

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:15

Does anyone remember those biscuits that were lemon flavour and a bit like a custard cream but the biscuit bit was flaky

MrsDoylesBodybags · 29/11/2017 22:15

I don't know OP, I got a bit bored with your post and I really feel like eating some biscuits now.

Playing devils advocate here I think I prefer Fig Rolls to Jammie Dodgers

SonicBoomBoom · 29/11/2017 22:14

Being the devil's advocate, I would try to prolong the talk for arguments' sake.

How very tedious.

Though I always appreciate a nice civil biscuit discussion.

ALittleBitOfButter · 29/11/2017 22:13

So interesting to hear about your chats with your friend for a long time! Glad to know your views have a PROVENANCE.

Biscuit
Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:12

For a strong (allegedly) argument you are not half asking a lot of questions

ALittleBitOfButter · 29/11/2017 22:12

Just standing here clenching so ny pelvic floor doesn't droop out of my vagina. Oh what was that? Did you say that all you had to do to make a baby was orgasm? Why can't women do that? Perhaps my bits would be intact!

Biscuit
Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:11

Who was it recently going on about DONUTS on a thread

It was capitalised and everything

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:09

Thats really quite a rude opening post

Quite patronising

Well to be fair the last paragraph

birdsdestiny · 29/11/2017 22:08

I had a jammy dodger today. I am contemplating stealing the Wispa belonging to ds in a moment. Sigh, third similar thread in 2 days.

QuentinSummers · 29/11/2017 22:07

Boo
Biscuit
Tardis

QuentinSummers · 29/11/2017 22:07

That's a great blog pencils
lily wouldn't a donut emoticon be awesome? Wonder if it works
[donut]

PencilsInSpace · 29/11/2017 22:04

Yeah I got as far as Being the devil's advocate. Off you trot Biscuit

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