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Cambridge GenCrit Meeting - this is what happens when women try to speak

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LangCleg · 29/11/2017 09:34

Judith Green outlines the difficulties in putting on this meeting in the face of extreme transactivism. Some of the details are really quite disgraceful, from fake ticket purchases to ringing the venue.

www.socfem.net/2017/11/a-womans-place-is-on-the-platform

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Gileswithachainsaw · 29/11/2017 23:40

I hope so I'm a bit far for those talks but happy to Verify my authenticity as best I can if any one hears if any in the south east England and fancies posting or Pm'ing when they find out

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/11/2017 23:35

It looks like there is one in Dublin

www.eventbrite.com/o/we-need-to-talk-uk-tour-15424101181

I find out about in on Twitter, and then posted it on here - I'm sure people will post up as they find out about them.

redshoeblueshoe · 29/11/2017 23:33

And me ?

Gileswithachainsaw · 29/11/2017 23:21

Where would I find out if there are any talks near me?

SonicBoomBoom · 29/11/2017 23:16

Brilliant. Thanks ItsAll. Heather B-E speaking too, great.

I will make every effort to go.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/11/2017 23:12

Oh oh oh, where's this Glasgow meeting? Or where can I find out about it? Will someone please pm me? I'd love to go

The where has not been published yet.
www.eventbrite.com/e/we-need-to-talk-about-the-gra-glasgow-tickets-39786635899?aff=eac2

SonicBoomBoom · 29/11/2017 23:05

Oh oh oh, where's this Glasgow meeting? Or where can I find out about it? Will someone please pm me? I'd love to go.

whitehandledkitchenknife · 29/11/2017 21:11

I too went on my own and I will freely admit to worrying about how I was going to get back to my car safely afterwards. I also spent a fair while before the meeting opened 'casing the joint'.
How shocking is this, that we cannot meet openly to discuss issues that affect us as women?
I'm wondering how far away the tipping point is, where we go from being nervous and scared to full on amazon fury. In my head I'm roaring with rage. In public I'm scurrying around keeping my head down.

christinarossetti · 29/11/2017 21:05

Since the Speaker's Corner assault, venues have been more proactive in anticipating and getting one step ahead of the TRAs. Huge amounts of time taken fielding fake emails applications for tickets trying to ensure empty seats etc.

That women wanting to meet and talk to each other is considered 'radical' in 2017!

Badgerthebodger · 29/11/2017 21:03

I’d really like to go to a talk, I’ve signed up to that newsletter but can anyone point me in the direction of where I might hear about others please? I’m Northern and what is politely described as stocky Grin perhaps I can stand on the outside for protection

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/11/2017 20:46

Can you try to meet up with some other attendees beforehand?

There's a pile of MNers maybe meeting up, but I think that might be more scary Blush

Please do attend though - otherwise the silencing of gender critical feminists will just continue

I will definitely go Smile

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 29/11/2017 20:31

No there weren’t Itsallgoingtobefine - but I was very worried that there would be. They had put security on the door though and kept the location a secret until the last minute.

I completely understand your concerns, it might be worth asking the organisers what security measures they are putting in place. Can you try to meet up with some other attendees beforehand? Please do attend though - otherwise the silencing of gender critical feminists will just continue.

Regressionconfession · 29/11/2017 20:26

Ttbb I like the concept of pc double think!! I've been having this debate with a friend who did a gender study masters at SOAS. She says that "women" is not a universal category. I asked for some examples but she's not got back to me funny enough!!

I thought intelligence squared were due to have a gender identity debate recently but can't find any mention of it on their website. Does anyone know if it was shut down?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/11/2017 20:14

I attended the meeting in my own and was terrified during my journey to the venue (and leaving it)

Were there protesters outside - why were you terrified? I'm going to a similar meeting on my own, and I'm a bit worried.

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 29/11/2017 20:03

I have the utmost respect for the organisers and venue. I attended the meeting in my own and was terrified during my journey to the venue (and leaving it) - although that actually made me more determined to go. Really grateful the organisers didn’t give in and were one step ahead of the TRAs attempts to sabotage the event.

VivaLeBeaver · 29/11/2017 19:51

I don't think this was a students issue....the meeting was Cambridge town not a Cambridge university organised meeting.

MakeMisogynyAHateCrime · 29/11/2017 19:25

Such a lack of critical thought from these people. How do they deal with any kind of conflict in life whatsoever. Sheesh imagine living in halls with these people or working with them.

cromeyellow0 · 29/11/2017 18:16

It takes only a few committed right-on students to alter the protocols governing speeche.g. transphobia is hate speech. Most people are too busy researching, teaching, and administering to notice. Even in my university, among the most politically aware people in Britain, nobody is aware of this issueapart from lesbians, but they are obviously a tiny minority.

Moreover, TRAs have infiltrated LBGTQ and feminist student groups. So there is no way in which lesbians for example can mobilize to present an alternative view.

However the defeat (albeit narrow) of gender neutral unisex toilets in an Oxford college was a promising sign.

Datun · 29/11/2017 18:07

This is the problem. They are getting them young.

Drag queens going into kindergartens to point out to toddlers what hate speech is.

Propaganda being disseminated in primary and secondary schools.

Universities shutting down debate and never listening to an opposing view point.

And because the cohort is so small, most people will never actually come into contact with it.

So these kids will sit there, in splendid isolation, virtue signalling and never realising what a fuck up they’ve made.

Until they do. Until a man identifying as woman takes their job. Or their maternity leave gets cancelled because it’s not just women who get pregnant and sex discrimination doesn’t exist.

Or no one is listening to them speaking from a woman’s point of view, because there is another woman speaking for them who has a man’s point of view.

By which time, it will be far, far too late.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 29/11/2017 17:52

I did feel a stab of pain when I saw it was Peterhouse that had refused to allow Linda Bellos to speak. Not my college but I will forever associate it with one particularly brilliant person I knew there. And this is where it is now. I’m sad to see great institutions of thought and learning caught up in this infantile unscientific rubbish. It demeans them. Apologies if that sounds pompous but we have so few bastions if true excellence left.

Elendon · 29/11/2017 16:21

Well one would have thought it was those universities beyond Oxbridge and the Russell Group that wanted to highlight their right on credentials. Not those universities that are at the forefront of science and new technological advances.

As for Universities connected to hospitals for the training of doctors who go in for the trans women are women anti logic and biology, I despair.

Ttbb · 29/11/2017 15:53

To be fair most of the better universities have become a hot bed of pc doublethink and censorship. This really shouldn't be surprising.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 29/11/2017 15:49

If I was the owner of a venue I think I’d be rather pleased if these people told me they’d never use it. They are mad as a box of frogs.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/11/2017 13:36

I worry that the same will happen at the Glasgow talk I am going to Sad

LangCleg · 29/11/2017 13:04

I think they threaten the venue itself - do you know you are hosting bigots? What will that say about you? We'll be sure to tell everyone we know that you're not a safe space? Do you realise that no activists will ever rent your space again?

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