Girlguides now in on the act

I distinctly remember spending 90% of my time in the tent on guide camps talking about periods and sex.

Presumably, that would be declared hate speech so as not to exclude the “non-period haver” in the group?!?!

If you are citing the Huff post as a reputable source of scientific research, I’m not surprised that your definition of a female is a feeling in a man’s head.

Yours was.much more pithy

Sorry cross post with ItsAll.

But gender and race are social constructs, non?

If gender is innate why do so many trans people detransition?
Maybe because gender is made up and based on feelings, and feelings can change once you go through puberty and start to work out how you are.
And sex (not gender) is passed on from your parents -either xx or xy depending on which sperm meet egg.
queen totally agree, i would take mine out too if that happened.

gender (not sex) is not biologically passed on from parent to child, race is

This is incorrect. Sex and skin colour are biology, race and gender are both social constructs.

Being transgender is exactly the same thinf as Rachel Dolzal identifying as black.

Yesterday was International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women, amongst other things I learnt that for 1 in 3 girls their first sexual experience is rape.

Women and girls have legitimate need for separate spaces from people with penises.

My dds are at brownies and rainbows. I will be withdrawing them if a trans child (if that's even reasonably exists) joins the group. Sounds harsh but I'm not asking my 5 and 8 year olds to believe a boy wearing a dress is a girl.

I want guiding preserved the way it is as a female space to gain confidence and skills. There are boy spaces available in other activities.

My needs a fight friend sent her ds yo rainbows. I had an issue with that too.

Cobblers - A black transgender woman described the difference by saying that gender (not sex) is not biologically passed on from parent to child, race is. Gender is innate. Huffington post did an interesting article on. Being transgender is very different compared to situations such as Rachel Dolezal

Oh for heaven’s sake.

If people don’t understand why young girls don’t want to be forced to share facilities and sleeping accommodation with boys then you are telling girls their boundaries are completely meaningless and wrong.

How do you think we can raise girls with high self-esteem? Providing them with the tools to help deal with bullying and sexual harassment? If their boundaries are not theirs to decide?

This is Lila Perry who identifies as a girl and demanded access to the girls’ facilities at school, rejecting facilities provided solely for her use. She said if the girls were uncomfortable, they were being hateful.

She is subsequently shown assuming a well known pose, derogatory to females, representing cunnilingus.

But, you know, at least she managed to make a whole bunch of girls feel powerless and uncomfortable. And both she and they knew it.

I will never advocate for girls to be powerless. #metoo. Ffs.

As far as I understand it, it actually isn't the law at the moment. But everyone thinks it is.

It could be the law soon if we don't stop the gender recognition act from going through.

isn't it?

I’m a Brownie Leader and dread the day some teenage boy in a dress asks to be. Young Leader and there’ll be nothing I can do to stop him sleeping in the same room as my Brownies. I think I’ll resign before I have to go along with it.

It’s the law though. There’s not much Guiding can do about it.

I think the whole situation is very frightening indeed.

And whoever is making the comparison to being white or black, that is utter tripe and shows the total lack of understanding or insight of the issue.

Drop that was me.

Can you explain why then?

The thing I’m most shocked about on this thread is the posters who can’t see what a huge problem this is!
How many young girls would want to get changed in front of a boy? He is physically and externally a boy, regardless of what he may or may not feel. He won’t have to worry about having his period unexpectedly while he’s away but any of the girls could. Some of the girls may have already experienced sexual assalt or abuse from a male and feel vulnerable away from home anyway without having to sleep next to a male.
And clearly even consensual sex between a boy and girl is more problematic than lesbian sex in terms of pregnancy.
Why is this hard to understand??

Also being gay or lesbian is a sexual orientation, not at all the same as being gender dysphoric.

Ask lesbians how they feel about transactivism and the effect it is having on them. You may be very surprised at the answer you get.

And whoever is making the comparison to being white or black, that is utter tripe and shows the total lack of understanding or insight of the issue.

Can you explain exactly how it is different?

Another as several posters on this thread have said who work in these fields, the practical result will be opportunities for overnight trips fade away as the risk assessment and management of it will be too complicated. Bottom line, the kids pay the price. But the trans lobby won't care since this isn't about the kids to them, this is about a political win.

And in practical terms, the number of boys transitioning in childhood and teens is very small and not all of them are going to want to join the guides, this is going to be a very small number of transgirls in the UK. The massive majority of children and teens seeking to transition are girls. (Wonder why so many girls don't want to grow up to be women at the moment? Hmm.) And the number of aggressively lobbying transmen taking over men's positions and men's spaces, and the number of transboys seeking access to boys' only facilities are.... well. I haven't seen or heard of one yet.

Rebecca - I don't even know what to say to that.. Sorry but you don't have a choice if your child is trans or not, you can only affect if they feel they could tell you. You know that parents said the same things about their children who were gay or lesbian years ago and I thought they could "cure" them of such thoughts. Thank God we have grown as a society.
LEM- thankfully there is someone out there making sense.

And whoever is making the comparison to being white or black, that is utter tripe and shows the total lack of understanding or insight of the issue.

It will end with no safe spaces for women and girls and our entire sex marginalised to within an inch of our lives. Look how far it has come since about 2011/2012.

People are starting to listen now however unless more and more people start standing up and talking out about this encroachment there will be no way back. None.

No way is my daughter going to join the Guides now. Where will this end?

Also trans female?

without getting appropriate mental health help for my child

This is derailing but you would find it very very hard to get any sort of mental health help that wasn't purely affirmative of your child's trans identity. Any other approach could be seen as conversion therapy and would risk the practitioners job.