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Thank you thread for those standing up for women

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ArcheryAnnie · 24/11/2017 23:04

I just wanted to start to say thank you to some of those who have given me the courage to begin to speak out, too. The calmness and persistence in the face of absolute hate and vileness is really something. (And it must become very tiring to know that when you google your own name, the search box will autofill "...should die in a fire", so I wanted to add something psoitive to the mix!)

There's lots here on mumsnet that I am grateful to, but I will start with people I got to know elsewhere first.

Linda Bellos. I have only seen her name recently on this issue, but she's been inspiring me since I was a teenage radical, so very long ago. I can't tell you how happy I am that she is here and still fighting. Linda, thank you.

Glosswitch. She was one of the first they went for. She's brilliant and brave and funny and I am so glad she's writing. Glossy, thank you.

Sarah Ditum. Also funny and brilliant and calm and persistent. If you haven't signed up for her tinyletter, I suggest you do so immediately! Sarah, thank you.

Claire Heuchan. Fantastic, thoughtful, insightful writer. Also introduced me to the fact that the Glasgow Women's Library exists! Claire, thank you.

Miranda Yardley. Calm, devastating, and unbelievably persistent. Currently filleting Peter Tatchell on twitter. Miranda, thank you.

There's plenty more, and I'll add them later, bit by bit, but I wanted to get a start. I have begun threads to express my disappointment and anger at those that have drunk the kool-aid, so I thought I'd come here and express my joy and gratitude to those that are standing up for women. I hope this can become a long list!

And anyone's non-appearance on it doesn't mean they aren't wonderful or their work isn't appreciated, it just means they aren't known to me. This isn't a list of any in-crowd, and shouldn't be read as such. We're all doing what we can!

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QuentinSummers · 25/11/2017 11:51

Caitlin Moran is apparently "problematic" because "how to be a woman" is too "white and cis" and exclusionary of sex workers. The sheer idiocy of that statement is why i left an intersectional group i was in. As if a white woman could write an autobiography from any other perspective than a white one Confused

She got a hard time on Twitter and a general backlash from intersectional feminists so I'm not surprised she decided to keep her head down on this issue.

CanalTrip · 25/11/2017 11:51

Laura Bates of Everyday Sexism

Caroline Criado Perez OBE who campaigned for women to be represented on bank notes.

Humpsfor20yards · 25/11/2017 11:49

Agreed- thank you all

DJBaggySmalls · 25/11/2017 11:46

Helen Steel, who physically put herself between a mob of angry trans activists and some women.

Helen has a lifetime of activism behind her, and has been treated badly by the police as a result.

GuardianLions · 25/11/2017 11:37

Yes Quentin - I wanted to add a few more I think haven't had a mention:
Thanks to all the detransitioners and desisters vlogging, blogging and telling their stories
Thanks to the academics
Sheila Jeffreys
Alice Dreger
Julia Long
James Caspian
Thanks to other bloggers and writers
Cathy Brennan
Meghan Murphy
Thanks to all the activists and researchers giving their time, leafletting, picketing, and never giving up - who might want to remain under the radar for obvious reasons
Thanks to all the lurkers on MN too - for taking the time to digest gender critical thought, even though it has made you feel conflicted at times.
Flowers

BertrandRussell · 25/11/2017 11:29

It's wonderful to see women I know about acknowledged, and equally wonderful to seen new names to find out about- thank you.

YippeeKiYayMelonFarmer · 25/11/2017 11:25

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Wincy79 · 25/11/2017 11:21

Thank you all on Mumsnet Feminism chat, i have been able to talk to my family and daughters who like me were "understanding" of trans issues and had no idea the law may change. The points and issues raised here are sensible and worrying and because of you all 5 women in a working class family have become gender critical, ta from us in Pompey. Your points and arguments are breaking through.

Backingvocals · 25/11/2017 11:19

Hadley Freeman is increasingly putting her head above the parapet on this. But yes I love Janice Turner for her relentless courage on this.

Caitlin Moran seems to be keeping her head down on this one Hmm. I’d guess she’s gender critical but feels it would be uncool...

QuentinSummers · 25/11/2017 11:17

Actually I can't believe I forgot the wonderful Gallusmag author of gender trander. Always has fully referenced posts, and when I started following all this, was one of the only places where you could read about these men and this politics. She does an amazing job

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 25/11/2017 10:33

Adding my sincere thank you and for the women who have been physically attacked when protesting about their rights

women are being silenced and verbally attacked whenever they speak of not only their concerns but those of thousands of other women how has it got to this

NaturalBlondeYeahRight · 25/11/2017 10:13

YY to all these and all of you. This is the only place I feel l can discuss any issues at the moment, my dd’s can’t even discuss with me rationally at the moment and anyone else irl just smiles and nods like I’m a loon if I tentatively raise anything.

DJBaggySmalls · 25/11/2017 10:01

Lovely idea for a thread, thank you for starting this.

I'd like to add a thank you to the female MP's speaking about this issue in the face of such hostility. Jess Phillips supports protecting womens rights.

Thank you Datun for your posts.

And thank you, Anne. You've worked tirelessly your whole life for other people.

GuardianLions · 25/11/2017 09:53

Flowers Anne Ruzylo for being an open non-gender conforming woman in a visible position and open about her gender critical views.

It has cost her a lot personally but will benefit all women and girls hugely in the long run. Keep up the fight sister!

Obsessivenamechanger · 25/11/2017 09:51

Yes, thanks again to Datun - sent me a pm after my first post (under a different name).

Her posts are always clear, reasonable but . . well . . strong, for want of a better word.

WTAFisthisshit · 25/11/2017 09:45

bertrand for engaging with the utter insanity on that other thread

deckoff · 25/11/2017 09:44

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whitehandledkitchenknife · 25/11/2017 09:40

Another thank you to Datun, who responded to my very first post when I was questioning my own sanity about what I was reading. Always clear and calm. So patient and dogged.

W8what · 25/11/2017 09:37

I add my thanks to all those women mentioned. Mumsnet, Janice Turner, Miranda Yardley (special place in my heart for Miranda, devastating is the word) and too many more to mention.

Stopmakingsense · 25/11/2017 09:36

Adding my heartfelt thanks too - all of the above
Gender Critical Dad - and the others running the Gendercritical resources support board for parents, very honest and heartfelt blogs.

Gileswithachainsaw · 25/11/2017 09:27

I will add my thanks too.

To MN in particular datun who has managed to open my eyes to something I'd never have thought that much about and help me see that this goes beyond a few individuals who would mean no harm to any one and see the big picture.

It has forced me to really think about things. So thank you

And to all those others who have been mentiomed.

ferntwist · 25/11/2017 09:21

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malaguena · 25/11/2017 09:18

I rarely post on here (because after Datun has posted, well, there is nothing to add) but I also want to say thank you to all the women on here and in RL for protecting women's rights. I have learnt so much in the last year since I have started lurking around this board, and I am so grateful to you all brilliant articulate women. I am genuinely proud of you! I read the news and I am horrified on the daily basis at the crap that is going on, and then I come on here to restore my sanity. Special mention for Fair Play for Women. Thank you to Mumsnet for keeping this platform free and women-orientated.

OpalIridescence · 25/11/2017 09:18

Glad Datun has had a mention, responsible for planting questions, and the language to frame them, in many minds on here.

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