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Thank you thread for those standing up for women

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ArcheryAnnie · 24/11/2017 23:04

I just wanted to start to say thank you to some of those who have given me the courage to begin to speak out, too. The calmness and persistence in the face of absolute hate and vileness is really something. (And it must become very tiring to know that when you google your own name, the search box will autofill "...should die in a fire", so I wanted to add something psoitive to the mix!)

There's lots here on mumsnet that I am grateful to, but I will start with people I got to know elsewhere first.

Linda Bellos. I have only seen her name recently on this issue, but she's been inspiring me since I was a teenage radical, so very long ago. I can't tell you how happy I am that she is here and still fighting. Linda, thank you.

Glosswitch. She was one of the first they went for. She's brilliant and brave and funny and I am so glad she's writing. Glossy, thank you.

Sarah Ditum. Also funny and brilliant and calm and persistent. If you haven't signed up for her tinyletter, I suggest you do so immediately! Sarah, thank you.

Claire Heuchan. Fantastic, thoughtful, insightful writer. Also introduced me to the fact that the Glasgow Women's Library exists! Claire, thank you.

Miranda Yardley. Calm, devastating, and unbelievably persistent. Currently filleting Peter Tatchell on twitter. Miranda, thank you.

There's plenty more, and I'll add them later, bit by bit, but I wanted to get a start. I have begun threads to express my disappointment and anger at those that have drunk the kool-aid, so I thought I'd come here and express my joy and gratitude to those that are standing up for women. I hope this can become a long list!

And anyone's non-appearance on it doesn't mean they aren't wonderful or their work isn't appreciated, it just means they aren't known to me. This isn't a list of any in-crowd, and shouldn't be read as such. We're all doing what we can!

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Ineedacupofteadesperately · 28/11/2017 14:17

Although maybe a bit off topic, I also wanted to thank Ronan Farrow for his relentless and quality reporting which shows exactly why we need women only spaces and protections.

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BertrandRussell · 28/11/2017 13:36

People do know that Magdalen has been/still is very ill? Sad

ArcheryAnnie · 28/11/2017 13:25

Magdalen Berns' videos are just so funny and so clever. Her absolutely deadpan, don't-give-a-fuck delivery is perfect. (Thank you, Magdalen.)

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therealposieparker · 28/11/2017 13:19

God, yes to Magdalen and Peachy!!

And again Dittany.... I wish she'd come back!!

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 27/11/2017 20:02

I tweeted Lucy a link to the thread so she didn't miss it. She said it was wonderful Grin.

BertrandRussell · 27/11/2017 18:54

Oh, I miss Dittany too......

DonkeySkin · 27/11/2017 16:59

And Dittany. Thanks to her I realised what was really going on, and it's much bigger and more complicated than many of us realise.

I miss Dittany Sad

woman11017 · 27/11/2017 16:02

Rachel Cusk, Susan Maushart and Anne Oakley.

ScrambledSmegs · 27/11/2017 14:52

Precis of my earlier post that I asked to be deleted, edited.

YY to everyone mentioned above. Including but not exclusively the sterling work done by Transgender Trend, 4th Wave Now, Fair Play for Women, Women's Place plus other websites/bloggers I've forgotten.

Magdalen Berns and PeachYoghurt on Youtube for making us laugh whilst making great points.

All the journalists writing great articles and taking flak from some really unpleasant people.

And Dittany. Thanks to her I realised what was really going on, and it's much bigger and more complicated than many of us realise.

Bejazzled · 27/11/2017 12:08

I was completely oblivious about the threat to women until I started reading these threads. Now I tell others who are oblivious and do my very little bit to raise awareness.

TBH, I am nervous/scared/appalled at the accepted erosion of women/woman and how it will continue.

Elendon · 27/11/2017 12:01

Mary Wollstonecraft.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Vindication_of_the_Rights_of_Woman

And yes! to Louise Pennington.

ArcheryAnnie · 27/11/2017 11:36

Oh, oh, oh - Louise Pennington, whose writing has made sense to me for a long time. Her writing blog is brilliant. Thank you Louise.

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Datun · 27/11/2017 11:29

Yes, let's stick to the positive,

Yes, you’re right. Just got distracted from the point of the thread.

Datun · 27/11/2017 11:28

Shon Faye is a misogynist.

Thank you thread for those standing up for women
Elendon · 27/11/2017 11:27

Yes, let's stick to the positive, because all these great women and men are doing their best to highlight what is wrong with current trans activism via their writings/books, media and social media.

ArcheryAnnie · 27/11/2017 11:17

But back on to the positive, because bloody Shon has made me derail.

I am so happy that Janice Turner is writing, not least because it really helps having this sort of writing in the Times, where decision-makers will see it. Thank you, Janice.

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ArcheryAnnie · 27/11/2017 11:15

Gaaaaaaah that Shon Faye article gives me the rage. Faye is all "where are the calls not to have male prison gards in women's prisons?" If Faye - who claims to be a prison abolitionist - knew anything at all about women's activism, Faye would know that women have been campaigning about male prison guards in prison forever. I was going to meetings about this decades ago, when male prison officers were first introduced.

But to the likes of Shon Faye, if women did it, then it was insignificant.

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Elendon · 27/11/2017 11:06

Basically, transwomen allege that transwomen do not rape.

Which is not true.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/transgender-rapist-womens-prison-segregation-sexual-advances-inmates-sexual-assualt-a7932866.html

The link above is regarding Martin Pointing jailed in 1995 for the rape of two young girls

genderidentitywatch.com/2017/09/07/jessica-winfield-a-k-a-martin-ponting-u-k/

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2015/01/08/terf-tracker-allison-woolbert-outed-as-violent-sex-offender-resigns-citing-his-unconscionable-behavior-as-a-human-being/

And Shon Faye on abusive rapists like Pointing who become transwomen.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/transgender-prisons-jessica-winfield-gender-recognition-act-a7940561.html

Pointing is the tip of the iceberg. Many thanks to all those who expose transwomen who are rapist. Try putting it into a search engine and you will find only Pointing's name - who seems to have been thrown under the bus.

ArcheryAnnie · 27/11/2017 10:29

Currently cheering at Lucy Bannerman on twitter, who is being absolutely magnificent in standing up to attacks from Little Owen Jones and Roz Kaveney, and Little Owen and Roz are looking ridiculous. Thank you, Lucy!

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CAAKE · 27/11/2017 08:31

Yes, what a great idea @ArcheryAnnie

There are lots of feminist writers and campaigners I've learned about through MN, but my biggest thank you goes to @Datun.

Sunkisses · 27/11/2017 07:57

Germaine Greer and Julie Bindel for spotting all this crap years ago, and taking crap for it over years and year. Julie is a tireless campaigner for women

Massive shoutout for whoever the women were who got all the single-sex exemptions into the Equality Act 2010 (yes, I know they are not being used effectively, but what foresight to have got them all in then, and we now have something to work with now).

@Datun too, for such thoughtful posts on here, and even finding time to respond to DMs.

All those women who're busy organising public meetings in their communities, ready for the consultation.

Kiri Tunks, of the NUT, for her brilliant Sex Matters article in the Morning Star: www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-c509-Sex-matters

And Janice Turner's fearless journalism.

bambambini · 27/11/2017 06:52

“Hilarious that some on the terf's list are men confused”

Jesse Singal was beating about the ignorance/unfairness of Terf blocker lists the other day on twitter - only because he’s on them! 😂 It’s not about how evil terfs are being treated/threstened/silenced - no. It’s because TAs have dared call him a TERF. Numpty - many in the trans community hate him.

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 27/11/2017 06:15

Everybody mentioned and also the latest Times journalist to be in there fighting for us - Lucy Bannerman.

EBearhug · 27/11/2017 00:56

Cordelia Fine and Gina Rippon and Daphna Joel, for writing about neuroscience in ways we can all understand.

Plus so many above. And my mother for bringing me up with books like the Female Eunuch around, and telling me about the Suffragettes and so on, because I might not have bothered reading any of the rest of it without that upbringing.

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