Transgender weightlifter named to NZ weightlifting squad

I thought it would be puberty blockers on children, then chest feeding. Then Travis the Prat at top shop.

Then I really thought it would be a 19-year-old boy being elected as women’s officer, having ousted a woman from a similar job.

Maybe it’s just a slow burn...

If you look at various matters that have suddenly hit the wider public domain and caused a scandal, it's always interesting what the straw is that breaks the camel's back. Often it's something emblematic, rather than the substance of the scandal.

I have no interest in sport (after my experiences at school I'm definitely sports-averse) but I am interested in this. I wouldn't be that surprised for this to attract attention. The problem can be very clearly understood. The unfairness of it is almost a slap in the face. The solution is really simple.

“What reasons are transgender activists giving for MTF trans people suddenly having a winning talent at women's sport when they didn't have a winning talent when they competed as men at men's sport?”

I’ve debated this with TW who cheer their fellow TW on when they win in female events and been called a flat earther (and other things). I’d wager most women are very against this. I think it’s actually telling when TW automatically support their fellow TW over women in this and shows thror is a clear divide between TW and women.

On the tiny, tiny plus side, the commonwealth games are quite widely viewed - so this blatant cheating will be brought to a very wide audience...

What reasons are transgender activists giving for MTF trans people suddenly having a winning talent at women's sport when they didn't have a winning talent when they competed as men at men's sport?

Just coincidence?

I think it is a dead certainty we will soon see men competing in women's tennis, and any other discipline where the income from prize money is decent.

Ah come on. He would be at a disadvantage against other men apparently. So its entirely fair that he competes against females instead.

Ignoring the advantage he has over them. as honestly, ho the fuck cares about women...

I’m not a scientist or a biologist or an athlete. But any damn fool can see how one-sided this is.

Otherwise, where are all the bloody transmen on testosterone who are beating the men?

It’s CLEARLY cheating.

People go as far as using performance enhancing drugs to win, just that when they get caught they face a lengthy ban. Identifying as a woman is the safer and easier option for winning medals.

It's horrendous and completely unfair and I fear for the future of women's sports.

Thank you Michael Keelan! I play competitive sports so this is a big point for me and i follow the debate in TW in sports. I find vast majority if men are totally with women on this and air their views (and disgust) quite clearly

Disclaimer

I would love to be wrong...And the meal depends on how many people are on the thread, it might just be a mickey D's so dont get your hopes up

And they wonder why women aren't interested in sports.

Because if anyone takes any interest, someone finds a way of driving them out of it.

I think it is a possibility Empress, it is SUCH a clear case of unfairness that people will see it clearly.

I would love to believe this

But i dont

Its not going to happen....i will bet drinks and a meal for everyone on this thread

Countries love to win, they will do anything to win, most men literally dont give a shit who they see win in the competition as long as its their team

Women have always been second class when it comes to sport

Its incredibly sad

And as someone said the mediocre sportspeople who slaughter women at these sports are no danger to the mens teams

Cos that would be the thing that makes a difference....usain bolt beaten by a woman? Now we have a problem

Hope he wins the Commonwealth Games and next Olympics. Just wish it was a higher profile sport like Wimbledon or Olympic 100m. Seems it might take take that for folk to take note.

Poster from NZ - what are folk there’s views in Hubbard?

I hope he does get gold. Shows the whole thing up for what is has become.

I thought this too.

Some athletes take steroids that they know will permanently damage their health. Pretending to be a woman is trivial in comparison.

I just curious as to motivation. How far would a man go to get gold?

The only way this is going to stop people, (because let’s face it it hasn’t so far), is in something like the Olympics.

When our home grown, beloved female athletes get thrashed by an obscure man from somewhere forrin.

Or Venus Williams get trounced at Wimbledon by some bloke with half an ATP point and a handful of oestrogen.

People will not want to see top-notch female athletes being replaced by second rate men.

People walk, the money will walk.

Ok I'm going to ask. Is he on the road to becoming a she (i.e. Surgery, the whole nine yards) or is now saying the he identifies as a woman - 'think therefore I am'? What about his team mates, changing rooms, competing in/against countries where he could find himself in jail?

Sorry, but that's a man...

It's worth noting that people are complaining about this.

www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/backlash-from-australia-against-transgender-weightlifter/

Australia's weightlifting chief says New Zealand's selection of transgender athlete Laurel Hubbard will create an uneven playing field at next year's Commonwealth Games

Australian Weightlifting Federation chief executive Michael Keelan on Friday claimed Hubbard would have both a physiological and mental edge over her rivals.

Keelan said the AWF had written to the IOC and the International Weightlifting Federation raising concerns about transgender athletes but were yet to hear back.