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Can transwomen live as women?

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chocladoodle · 21/11/2017 15:31

I've been reading about the council appointed women's officer and some of the responses got me thinking. Obviously biology means that transwomen can never truly experience the lived experience of women, neither than being conditioned as male throughout their childhood in anyway can compensate the privilege automatically bestowed on them.

In this example it is especially ludicrous as we are talking about a 19yr old, but what about older transwoman. Could they, are they ever going to be accepted as 'woman' without controversy. Is there ever a right time for them to be given 'womens' posts etc.

As women we all have different life experiences and different needs/priorities. Some are lesbian, some heterosexual, some married to men, some to women, some with children, some in full time successful careers, some care givers, some unable to work because of childcare, some disabled etc etc. We all have different takes on life, and I will always hold onto biology to define us as a class, but no one woman can speak for all us. A straight woman, married to an abusive male, struggling with 3 children under 5 has very different needs to a middle age butch lesbian, with no children and a successful career, for example. Neither of these women could truly understand the others way of life.

With that in mind, is appointing a 'woman's post' to a transwoman (not a 19 yr old) that controversial? Until today I would have always said yes, must be a female, I'm not as sure now. I'm hoping some of you who have a better knowledge could help me get my head round this.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 21/11/2017 15:45

You're right - we do all have different takes on life - the only thing we all share is our biology.

A TIM will never share that biology.

chocladoodle · 21/11/2017 15:43

Yes you're right it wasn't a council post, my mistake.

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Blahblahblahzeeblah · 21/11/2017 15:42

We're ok with the phrase "butch lesbian"?

tiktok · 21/11/2017 15:40

I think the 19-year-old is women's officer of her local Labour party, not the council, yes?

While no woman - trans or not - can 'represent' in the sense of 'sharing every experience' all women, in a patriarchal society like ours, a biological woman is socialised from birth in a different way from a biological man. That 'back story' is the same for every biological woman, from childhood onwards.

It's really not a question of 'understanding other ways of life' as you put it - anyone with a degree of empathy can go some way to doing this no matter what their biology.

But the embodiment of a female experience does matter, I think

I also object to political posts which at least allow women to advance more in politics, and to progress to a political career, going to someone who was born a man. It's harder for women to make their mark in politics, and even harder if their traditional women-only posts are thrown open to applicants who are trans.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 21/11/2017 15:36

Neither of these women could truly understand the others way of life
No, but it’s a pretty good start isn’t it? Otherwise, following the logic, why have a Women’s Officer at all?