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Calling Irish posters - was there the same debate before the GRA 2015?

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GingerAndTheBiscuits · 21/11/2017 00:55

I’ve been pointed in the direction of this tweet following some debate about the Madigan situation/ the GR bill in genera tonightl:

twitter.com/christineburns/status/932376223640154114

Can anyone recall if there was similar debate in Ireland upon the introduction of this legislation and if not, any ideas why that might have been? Also interested in any identified implications of self-Identification 2 years post implementation?

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MayFayner · 21/11/2017 13:37

I didn't come across any discussion either.

The only conversation I've had about it with anyone outside my family was with a Consultant Child and Adolescent psychiatrist in a very well known facility in Dublin. DD was under him at the time. It came up because he asked what we had been chatting about on he way to the appointment and it happened to have been a chat about trans stuff (DD wasn't having gender issues herself, it was just a random chat). I mentioned some of my reservations about self-identification. He told me he was seeing a rise in gender "stuff" and that he wasn't of the opinion that transitioning was going to make people happy long term.

PerryPerryThePlatypus · 21/11/2017 10:56

Ireland also doesn't have the NHS. Income based medical cards are available but the health service is chronically underfunded.

Trinity66 · 21/11/2017 10:56

I'm Irish and I don't remember this at all or any discussion about it

Maryz · 21/11/2017 10:54

www.teni.ie/attachments/0ce15fc2-69f4-4b3b-94df-a7c90a11e53b.PDF This is the Health Services Executive' guidelines to GPs.

They've swallowed the cool-aid Hmm - they refer to reversible puberty blockers. Everyone is referred to TENI which appears to be unquestioning support of transition.

Although they suggest referring to CAHMS, the system is so stretched I can't see there being much critical assessment unless a child presents with other issues (and even then, getting support for eating disorders, ASD, mental health issues of any sort for children is very difficult.

The Tavistock appear to come to Ireland for outreach.

GingerAndTheBiscuits · 21/11/2017 10:52

Thanks all, this is all really interesting

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DoopityDo · 21/11/2017 10:25

I tried looking up this site: theukdatabase.com/ but it only has child sex offences. I’ve found one N Irish female and zero Republic of Ireland females so far.

The Irish prison population is only 75 per 100000 as opposed to the UK’s 153 per 100000 though, so coupled with a much smaller population you have hardly any women in prison.

I’ll keep looking though.

nightshade · 21/11/2017 10:02

I really can't answer fully...we're in the north ..

Given that the dup are still finding homosexuality and abortion difficult I would imagine transgender would blow their minds..

I'm sure it won't be too long until Arlene makes a public faux pait however...

Maryz · 21/11/2017 09:53

I have seen practically no discussion of it in mainstream media, it slipped under the radar with the only comment being that this was another sign of us being more progressive, after the huge success and national pride in the gay marriage referendum.

I think most people think of transgender as being like Lydia Foy which is patently not the case for most of the transactivists today. In fact, for transexuals who have been through the gamit of treatment, it must be pretty galling to see all the support for those who just want to wear dresses and high heels Hmm

There are a few discussions online, for example politics.ie but I've only once had a conversation in real life about it, and basically no-one believed me when I pointed out the problems for sport and for refuges (as well as issues in hospitals). I was just told I was being ridiculous - discussing sport I was told "that wouldn't happen". I know people were looking at me and thinking I was a bigot.

The trans issue is still considered by everyone I know to be supporting an oppressed minority, and and of course the universities have jumped on that bandwagon. I've attempted to talk to my children about it. ds thinks it's a load of attention seeking rubbish, but dd appears to be more brainwashed (though I'm chipping away). dh now believes me, purely because I keep sending him sport related links; sport has been the only way I can convince him that transwomen are actually harming women.

It also appears that our Labour party are on board. The LabourYouth Women's Officer is now a Women and Trans Officer (which I suppose is still accepting that there is a difference).

DoopityDo · 21/11/2017 09:21

I wonder if they’ve seen the same inexplicable jump in female rapes? Was just reading the 2015 prison stats for England and Wales and of the 24 long sentences handed out to women, an undisclosed number were for rape.

And while it is technically possible for a female to be charged with rape in spite of not having a penis to rape with, I would suspect that that’s not the case here, and it’s a Davina Ayrton situation.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-hampshire-35726292 for those who don’t know who that is.

morningrunner · 21/11/2017 09:16

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cuirderussie · 21/11/2017 07:32

No. It totally slipped under the radar. But the trans issue isn't debated in Ireland. If you question the ideology you get shouted down, blocked, banned from feminist groups. It's infiltrated everything, there's no corner of feminism that's untouched.

GingerAndTheBiscuits · 21/11/2017 07:27

Thanks fellow Ginger

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