Lily Madigan, TIM, elected Labour women's officer

BUT this is something that has happened at a local level. And don't forget it's the Tories pushing the GRA

Its happening at a lot of local levels as Momentum take control of the party from the bottom up. Momentum are every bit as anti women as the old Militant as far as I can see, not least because some of the leading personalities are the same people.

Labour leadership (the men at least) are fully on board with all this and the erasure of biological female identity, even where its critically important (eg medical treatment). If mandatory reselection comes in we can kiss goodbye to many good women who have fought for us for decades. Barbara Castle would be spinning.

So frankly when the Tory press are doing a better job of representing women's interests in this space than the Labour party then Labour can whistle for another farthing of my money.

OlennasWimple

Yes, sorry. I got confused with who that poster was talking about.

Datun - Lily used to be Liam

And Lily only joined the Labour party in April / May this year

Worst of all , Lily doesn't know how to use apostrophes

Andrie van der meers.

Is this Lilly?

Haven't read the full thread as am at work and a bit busy, but I was wondering how many MN users we have in this area? It's Rochester, right? Could we organise some sort of bombarding of Lily with very specific questions and problems regarding female biology/discrimination/experience? Just to see how it's all dealt with...

Well, that's my membership going back and the end of the hours of voluntary work I've put in. My CLP is one of the ones that has a trans alumnus of the Jo Cox leadership training in it. They see themselves as a future constituency MP. The women's officer is at least a woman, but I have no doubt that if she gets to be the new candidate, the next one won't be.

peacelove have a scroll through this twitter.com/brunskellevans
There is also post today www.womensequality.org.uk/november_20_statement

Lily is aligned with Momentum (and is so vain as to comment on her own photos "She's so hot")

Owen Jones has done a lot of that, particularly lately. Owen Jones likes to be down with the kids and be trendy. He has a rather shallow grasp on a lot of issues, not just this one.

He writes a lot of total and utter tripe.

The disappointing thing is more that people think he's a respectable and serious journalist. He's not. He has an opinion column and doesn't do nearly enough research on what he writes about. That's not needed though, as the more opinionated the better because it provokes more of a reaction. At times he is little better than the Hatey Hopkins but gets away with it, because he's from the left.

He is influential though and that's the sad bit. There will be too many who will read what he says without critical thought and use it as an echo chamber for their own beliefs.

Can someone put Ed on the spot?

Ask him if he thinks lesbians should sleep with men who identify as women.

Ask him if the word woman is transphobic.

Ask him if he thinks a 19-year-old boy, fresh out of school, should be the representative of women.

Basically half the posters said 'we don't need a women's party, men share many of our concerns', and the other half said 'yes we need a women's party, but it needs to know what a woman is'.

so complete shit show basically.

Nice touch Ed Milliband using the word "hysteria". The Labour Party can fuck off.

"Can anyone tell me about what's happened with the WEP? I've been away from MN for a while. "

They came on here in November 2015 and basically got told to fuck off over their 'men are women' stand.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/guest_posts/2502963-Guest-post-Sandi-Toksvig-The-time-is-right-for-the-Womens-Equality-Party?messages=100&pg=1

Things haven't changed.

Raisin

Ed Milliband getting involved

twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/932523939598946304

And hasn't JC signalled support for the trans agenda?

I'm done with the Labour Party

Owen Jones and another bloke going out of their way to miss the point about Hadley Freeman's tweet.

The fact that women's representation merits a 19 yr old without even the lived experience of being a girl tells me all I need to know about the state of the current labour party.

As a Labour Party member I'm deeply disappointed - BUT this is something that has happened at a local level. It's not like this person is Shadow Women's Minister or something at a national level.

Yes it's concerning, but not voting to get the Tories out will put us in a much worse position IMO. And don't foget it's the Tories pushing the GRA.

Can anyone tell me about what's happened with the WEP? I've been away from MN for a while.

I will write to my (female) labour representative I think.

Any of the newspapers should ask the question whether or not this boy is legally a woman? Because he can’t be.

Thank you Nettle

I've heard similar stories to this from other CLPs. I'm wondering what the reaction would be if industry issues or union issues were to be represented by a 19 yr old (of any stripe) without experience of most of the issues.

The fact that women's representation merits a 19 yr old without even the lived experience of being a girl tells me all I need to know about the state of the current labour party.

And when the tabloids and the press pick up on this and use it to beat Labour up in the next campaign (which they will) then frankly for once I'll be agreeing with them.

I'm beginning to think Women's Equality Party is a misnomer. Depressing as I had been watching them with interest.

They are just going to ignore your requests Nettle

Your collective concerns obviously don't matter.

OK People

Probably outing myself but sod it

I was also on the committee that Anne was women's officer for. We all walked out. The trans issue was what finished Anne and I but wasnt everything about what was going on in our CLP, which all boiled down to one individual that was causing havoc in a role he originally had on the executive committee (soon 'no confidenced' out of) as a secretary of a smaller sub branch (which I believe he may next be put out of) and many many other things.

This person fed Annes anonymous twitter feed to Lily. Anne had said nothing abusive, but as an active feminist she shared tweets from many groups that shared concerns about the GRA changes. She and I attended the gender debate held in Brighton during conference, the week after our colleague got belted at speakers corner.

Lily tried to get her out of our CLP at that point, but as she isnt a member of our branch, our secretaty batted it into the long grass. Whether Lily took it higher or not we do not know - they certainly threatened to.

I too had been really badly bullied by the same individual who fed the stuff to Lily. They abused their role as admin on our CLP's page to do all sorts of shit. They got other people to submit motions to our CLP to force the resignation of anyone who posted anything transphobic. And another one asking for any FEMINISTS doing the same to be kicked out. But would not allow debate on the subject and used inflammatory terms in order to prejudice people before the vote

Lily belongs to a different CLP (constituency Labour party branch) so their being elected womens officer may be off the back of this, but they havenrt replaced Anne.

Our CLP's womens forum requested Anne to chair last Friday's women's meeting, even though she is no longer officer. In the absence of any officers, they wanted to meet. So it was an informal meet up, but certainly good to know we have the support of many of our women members

Despite many many requests and reports we still dont know if the regional section are going to do anything about this individual. we suspect they are planning a takeover as they have the support of a certain number of very young members who have fallen for the victim story, and believe its a plot from the right of the party. 5 of us were certainly to the left, but thats what he is going with.

We have asked for clarification as to what constitutes transphobia - no reply

We have asked whether we are allowed to debate a Tory Bill that is still in consultation - no reply