Labour MP Jess Phillips being attacked on Twitter for her reasonable approach to gender bill

Hahaha! Don't let him wriggle out of that one ginteresting.

Ask him what a woman is.

He’s googling them now, il let you know.

Apparently we should change the conversation because he can’t believe I could have such views.

Gin, ask him if he split up with you would he consider Danielle Muscato or Kellie Maloney as viable sexual partners? If not he's a transphobe.

Radio 4 are exploring Gender Identity on the Moral Maze tonight after the 10 o' Clock News.

If anyone is interested.

Forget about logic, forget about consistency, this is about social media. The only thing that counts is being seen to be doing the right thinking. There is absolute no need to question beyond that and in any case there's danger in straying outside the orthodoxy.

What this needs is to get people from outside the bubble to look in and ask "what are they saying?" and "why do they think that?"

I have just shown my husband this thread and the twitter thread. Apparently we should change the conversation because he can’t believe I could have such views. He’s been to a stonewall convention recently so he’s the don in transrights. I explained I absolutely support transpeople and their rights as human beings. I have issues with womens rights being stolen, because the men have spoken. He told me I’m a bigot. He can not see the irony.

You only have to see how strange cults can persuade thousands of people to follow them to realise how easy it is to persuade people that black is white, up is down and the whole world is out of step except you and your followers.

TRAs have the same philosophy as any other cult. If we say something clearly crazy e.g. transwomen are women, often enough, people will eventually say, ah ok.

They don't need to believe it themselves, and they don't need to convince others if they can intimidate them into silence. It may seem as if forcing people to acquiesce in a laughably obvious lie should be impossible, but it must be possible because it's happening.

@TammySwansonTwo

Yes! This is exactly it!

Even if you believe the "transwomen are women" mantra, how on Earth can you think self ID is a good thing?

You're saying that you can protect SOME women by removing protection from ALL women.

These people are so dense, it drives me up the wall.

Because it suits their interests to do so.

But they take seconds to refute?

Unless the point is that most will just take in the message, rather than actually looking to see if it is true.

In which case, surely nooone is stupid enough to believe them in the first place :S Even with no proof of it being false. I have seen so many claims that women with penises are more at risk of sexual assault than women with vaginas. FFS my 12 year old DSD would know that was false immediately..so surely adults would?!

Well I think up till quite recently shouting 'TERF SCUM' at anyone who mildly suggests a debate or that someone with a dick is possibly a man has worked hasn't it?

There was a while there where no Guardian journalist went to an interview with a high profile person over the age of 40 without asking them if they thought sex change was a real thing because the fall out from someone like Richard Dawkins saying he thought sex was a biological fact was so deliciously lubricational to ones sales figures.

The Guardian in particular is going to need to have a good think about its editorial policy in this one or find itself doing a front page mea culpa when the GRA has to be revoked because of a spate of high profile sexual assaults...

Wrong side of fucking history indeed.

Because it suits their interests to do so.

I have hope that this huge overreaction will just show her what women have been saying for a long time. That these males are just entitled narcisists. The amount of them wishing harm on her is ridiculous. A few 'cis' women are joining in with the abuse and parroting too though I guess, its not all males.

Also

twitter.com/anna66newton/status/931644342502076417

Is just stupid and demonstrably false also. WHy do they tell such blatant lies?

That twitter thread makes for very uncomfortable reading. I'm not sure I'll be able to sleep tonight, between thoughts of a conspiracy.

Their complete wankery only works in favour of gender critical women.

Why don’t they see it?

Male fucking privilege.

Yes, Jess is amazing and I can totally see why she'd be fearful of coming out as gender critical. No surprise at all that she's getting death threats from trans cult.

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans

It was a fantastic moment. For me

It just reaffirmed what I suspected.

There are very many women out there who have questions and objections. I don’t condemn her, because I know she gets it. She was just worried. As are we all.

However, subsequently, a mumsnetter said she had met her, and Jess told her to keep going.

Yes, that was me. I went to her book signing with a couple of other MNers (waves to @GinevraFanshawe and @venusinscorpio) & asked about the GRA, explaining that I'd been on the MN webchat and that a lot of us were worried.

Jess agreed that it wasn't that simple, that there were differences between women & transwomen & that we need single-sex spaces. She wrote "Keep fighting" in my copy of her book after.

Yikes the "trans women are women thing is just like a cult. I've replied to Jess' tweet thanking her. Expecting that tweet to go down well

All I can said, having read a bit of this, is that the number of utter morons out there in society is truly frightening. These people can vote! Assuming they can manage to locate the polling booth, which maybe assuming too much

Jess Phillips did a web chat on here. It was a bit of a debacle.

However, subsequently, a mumsnetter said she had met her, and Jess told her to keep going. Keep saying what you are saying.

It sounds to me as though she was gender critical, but fearful of speaking out.

That Sam Phillips on that thread is a stupid little cock, isn’t he.
And the other one going “you just need to think this forever.” By what right do you tell people what to think, fuckface?

Okay so:
Men are a danger to women. This is why protection for women and women's only spaces exist.
Men are a threat to trans women. This is why they want access to these things.
If self identification is passed, there will absolutely be dangerous men who exploit this to access women / trans women.

Ergo, if you're legitimately a trans woman, wouldn't you also be against this change? It endangers you and erases you.

At this point I think most of those pushing this are those that know full well they'd never meet the criteria for a GRC.